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Posted by schappim 3 hours ago

John Ternus to become Apple CEO(www.apple.com)
989 points | 511 comments
Tyrubias 3 hours ago|
Tim Cook’s experience in logistics built Apple into the global hegemon it is today. I hope John Ternus’s experience with hardware can kick off a renaissance in both Apple hardware and software design. Mind you, Apple hardware is already amazing, but hopefully it can be even better with Ternus at the helm. Apple software is terrible, and hopefully Ternus can turn that around. I’m also hoping, without any evidence, that maybe a change in leadership will change how Apple participates in US politics.

EDIT: I also want to say I really appreciate Tim Cook’s emphasis on user privacy and I hope John Ternus can continue this trend.

hei-lima 3 hours ago||
Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's, IMO. But that doesn't mean it can't be better.
bayindirh 2 hours ago|||
Their software is better than most (if not all) of closed-source universe. That's true, but the problem is, they were better in the past.

I'm using both Linux and macOS close to 20 years (Linux is even more than 20, IIRC), and macOS (aka Mac OS) used to be snappier, more stable, more uniform and had incredibly low number of papercuts around the UI. Now it has some nasty thorns here and there, while Linux is improving steadily and not regressing much as macOS.

Apple needs to overhaul their software stack. They can use a lot of sanding and polishing to bring the shine back. They need another "Snow Leopard" release, as many people say.

On the other hand, even with all these bells and whistles, they can't even get close to the composability of Linux systems. Doing so will also damage their bottom line, so they won't, and that's OK.

stephenhuey 2 hours ago|||
When Apple released its BSD-based OS X at the turn of the century, I was at Rice learning on Solaris machines, and also started dual booting Linux on my personal desktop at the time. My first few years in the working world were spent on Dells running Windows, so by the time I bought my first laptop in 2006, I was excited to spend my dollars on an unusual-looking white Macbook specifically because it had a *nix shell and the developer experience was vastly better to me than any machine I used at my day jobs. I still prefer working on Macs because ever since, they have just worked and Windows has gotten progressively worse (I know, because I have helped my parents with their Surface laptop). Unfortunately, Mac OS X has been less robust in the last several years, and I'd love to see them turn this around, both for the developer experience and for regular consumers. I still like using Photos, but I don't use their cloud for those, and I've been amazed over the years just how uninformative the Photos app on Mac can be when it flakes out and I have to try a rain dance just to get it to sync with my iPhone. That's pretty abysmal for a company that used to just work, but I believe it comes from the top. Steve Jobs used to enforce quality, and I want to see that again!
gradstudent 53 minutes ago|||
Similar experience here, started with the same G4 ("white") iBook. That was an amazing machine. Under the hood it was hard to distinguish many differences with Linux/BSD of the time. The UI on top (OSX Tiger) was peerless -- I recall being very excited for the introduction of Spotlight. I'd say the decline came around 2012-2013 or so. Hardware was still great, but they were no longer updating the GNU stuff and anti-features like SIP made it harder and harder to run the applications I want (gdb for example). I gave up not long after they introduced the touchbar

These days I'm happier (or at least content) without a Mac. My FW13+Linux setup may not be as nice as the latest macbook, but it does exactly what I want and if it doesn't, I have options.

lukeh 30 minutes ago||
SIP is anti-feature for a certain class of users, but the right tradeoff for most consumers. At least you can disable it. And even as a developer I leave it enabled.
Schiendelman 52 minutes ago|||
The whole experience you're having with the rain dance is because the cloud does just work. It's a vanishing a tiny percentage of people that don't use it.
stephenhuey 12 minutes ago||
I hear ya. I'm not in the target market. Surprising, I know, considering how many SaaS platforms I've launched which maintain photos and videos in the cloud!

Many other iPhone/Macbook users have been shocked I don't turn on Messages on my Mac due to a bad experience with sync in the first year that was possible, and I had a similar bad experience with photos in iCloud early on. Maybe the sync is fast now, but my usage would put my in a higher iCloud tier than I'd like, and I still feel more at ease juggling many Photos libraries on external hard drives. I avoid Google Photos like the plague, and even though I trust Apple more (for now), I'd still rather not entrust to them my family's personal photos and videos.

lynndotpy 2 hours ago||||
The thing where Linux (and Android, and Windows at least circa 2023) blows Apple out of the water is in UI latency. The built-in animations on Apple's software are sometimes hundreds of times slower than on their competitors, in ways which can't be accounted for.

Improving interface response times is the single best thing Apple can do to improve their UX. I don't need an interface which throbs, wiggles, jiggles, shines, and refracts, I need an interface that's snappy and fast.

As far as I know, MacOS is the _only_ desktop OS with this problem. The only way to fix this problem on MacOS is to do everything inside a virtual machine running anything but MacOS.

runjake 1 hour ago|||
> The built-in animations on Apple's software are sometimes hundreds of times slower than on their competitors, in ways which can't be accounted for.

You can turn down the animation times for most of this with "defaults write" commands. Set them to 0 or as small as you want. Here's a good list to get started:

https://gist.github.com/j8/8ef9b6e39449cbe2069a

> I don't need an interface which throbs, wiggles, jiggles, shines, and refracts, I need an interface that's snappy and fast.

System Settings -> Accessibility -> Reduce Motion: Enabled System Settings -> Accessibility -> Display -> Reduce Transparency: Enabled

gitpusher 14 minutes ago|||
You're missing the point here. The "old" Apple would never have tolerated a janky feature that inverts responsibility onto the user and behaves poorly out-of-the-box. Back then it was either lightning fast, jank-free, and intuitive -- or else it doesn't ship.

But this eroded over time. Nowadays both Mac and iOS are bloated pieces of crap that reek of design by committee. A lot of people blame Alan Dye (and they are probably right to do so) but there are other factors too. With Steve and Jony gone, they need someone who cares to step in and assert control once more

storoj 1 hour ago||||
> Enable the “Reduce motion” setting in System Settings.

> This is always the default answer to this question online, and I’m sick of it! It doesn’t even solve the problem, but rather replaces it with an equally useless fade-in animation.

https://arhan.sh/blog/native-instant-space-switching-on-maco...

ajross 1 hour ago|||
Hilariously, this is what the Gnome 2 people would have called an "Unbreak Me" option, something they tried culturally to eliminate more than a decade and a half ago. With... not total success, I guess, but the resulting environment tends to have a very high level of "work and not suck by default" quality -- something that steadily evolving commercial software tends to struggle with maintaining.
jcgrillo 15 minutes ago||
The only thing I need to do to unbreak gnome is twiddle the ctrl:nocaps thing in xkb-options. Everything else is optional.
Lalabadie 25 minutes ago||||
What saddens me is that a decade and a half ago, Apple led that charge with a reliable and unblockable UI thread on the iPhone.

Now that said iPhone is a thousand times faster, just invoking the keyboard can cause a serious delay with stutters.

nomilk 9 minutes ago||
I have an ‘old’ model (iPhone 14 pro max) and text frequently misses characters due to the lag/input delay. It’s most pronounced when using safari for some reason.

In any case, it’s odd that hardware is multiples better yet it doesn’t always nail something as basic as typing

joemi 1 hour ago||||
It's odd to see this comment, since I've always had the opposite experience (at least when comparing Windows and MacOS -- I haven't used desktop linux much in the past 20 years). On MacOS, when I click something, something happens, or at the very least starts to happen (and I get some visual indication). While in Windows I often click on something and get no indication that something happened or started happening, so I click again, and then suddenly perform the action twice. This most often happens when opening programs, but it happens in other places too sometimes.
lallysingh 58 minutes ago||
Windows isn't a useful base of comparison anymore. They really stopped trying years ago.
brailsafe 1 hour ago||||
I think a big part of this in recent years is SwiftUI just not being fully-cooked and Apple trying to shove it into a bunch of areas without enough attention to performance. Not sure how it is on iOS, but for example, the Settings app feels chuuuunky if you navigate through the panes with up and down arrow keys. I wasn't able to make a selectable list view that worked consistently and didn't feel like a regression compared to an equivalent AppKit view
christophilus 1 hour ago||||
Package management, too. I recently got a MacBook for work, but it’s sitting on my desk and I’m continuing to use my Lenovo. Managing software updates is much better on Linux. As is managing windows (via Niri in my case). macOS really feels like a downgrade.
setopt 1 hour ago|||
I don’t disagree, I just moved back to Linux from macOS myself (Tahoe was the last drop for me).

But did you try Homebrew and its extensions? It works pretty well for managing both terminal and GUI apps, and has some useful extensions like Brewfile, MAS, etc. Its not perfect, but for single-user Macs with an up-to-date OS version, it works quite well.

dlahoda 1 hour ago|||
did you tried nix on macos? helps with software updates
honr 42 minutes ago||
Nix is not the same as nixos, and in this case the distinction matters. It has to step carefully around Apple's updates. This further highlights the fact Apple lacks the same quality package management as some linux distros. Nixpkgs (on macos), Ports, and Homebrew packages are toys compared to the EFFORT that goes into maintaining Debian and Redhat packages.

In terms of package management SOFTWARE, however, nix (and guix, lix, etc.) are state of the art and work fairly similar in both linux and macos. A deeper integration with the OS would have been nice.

bombcar 21 minutes ago||
Package managers are wonderful until you step near our outside of the packaged software - then you better hope you're on a big distro otherwise you may be in uncharted territory.
dbmikus 1 hour ago|||
Yes, I hate how slow it is to swipe between desktop workspaces, for example.
honr 29 minutes ago|||
Why would you use that feature? MacOS doesn't REALLY have multiple desktops (Spaces). That is merely a pre-release feature (for 10 years or so, I think). As evidenced by the many critical user journey bugs it has that don't get addressed.

I use both linux (with a decent tiling window manager; the tiling management being the least important part of it) and macos. And certain things are just not possible to do with macos. On linux I can have 300+ open terminal windows AND CAN find the one I need when I need to. On macos 20 (counting in Termianl tabs, which are implemented as windows, underneath) is about the high mark that it gets annoying to work on. On macos, you can't effectively work on multiple projects that use the same software (editor + terminal, for example). You can work with different Applications, though, and that is managed pretty well (better than most linux window managers that I have seen).

Every year or so I try adding a couple of Spaces, and always regret it a couple of hours later, switching back to a single Space (+ a few fullscreen apps).

shric 1 hour ago|||
Doesn't excuse it but in case you or other readers are unaware, there are some ways to mitigate it: https://arhan.sh/blog/native-instant-space-switching-on-maco...
dylan604 44 minutes ago||||
I've been using Apple since IIe in the 80s and all of the UI iterations. People make iOSification comments about macOS, and there have definitely been annoyances as they are seemingly trying to unify the UX. Maybe it'll make sense when they have touch controllable macOS systems, but making things that work well for fingertips and assuming they will work equally as well operating by a mouse is just bad.

As for Linux, I don't think I've ever used a system with UI for any serious amount of time. >99.999% of my usage is on headless systems through a terminal. As god intended.

apple4ever 2 hours ago||||
> but the problem is, they were better in the past.

So true. I run into so many little and annoying bugs I sometimes wonder if Apple Execs actually use their own devices.

antipaul 2 hours ago||||
A Snow Leopard move, at least for iOS, is what's on deck:

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/03/15/ios-27-will-reportedly-...

ProfessorLayton 1 hour ago||
A major reason Snow Leopard was well received was because of how performant it felt along with the bug fixes. What isn't mentioned anywhere near as much is that it dropped a lot of hardware (PPC). The last G4 Powerbook got about 1.5y of OS support before it was dropped.

iOS 26 is slated to drop a bunch of iPhone models. macOS is dropping all all macs with Intel CPUs.

A Snow Leopard release isn't great news for a lot of people.

selcuka 18 minutes ago||
> The last G4 Powerbook got about 1.5y of OS support before it was dropped.

> macOS is dropping all all macs with Intel CPUs.

Those two cases are not really comparable though, are they? The last Intel CPU Mac was the 2019 Mac Pro, which was discontinued in 2023.

BiraIgnacio 31 minutes ago||||
True, it's better than most for sure and I agree it used to be better. Though a lot of other software for windows and linux are really not that great so the bar is probably on the lower end.
spaniard89277 1 hour ago||||
I use both Linux and Macos, and I'd like to get rid of xcode or have something like Nautilus.

There are many, many things that are completely normal in Linux that are super clunky in MacOS at best.

But at least try to match Nautilus or Thunar ffs.

dlahoda 1 hour ago||
I use macos for dev. Not even install xcode tools, neither most apps via apple store.
ransom1538 1 hour ago||||
We need thinner phones. We need 19 cameras. The future is clear.
hei-lima 2 hours ago|||
I agree with everything you just said. That’s exactly my take on it.
Arainach 2 hours ago||||
What metrics or experiences lead you to that conclusion?

I've used basically all of the major operating systems for 30+ years and I cannot stand macOS. I use a Mac as one of my work devices, and off the top of my head:

* Basic things such as window management require third party tools to get things that are table stakes everywhere else. Even with third party tools doing anything with a "full screen" mode is not going to work the way you expect.

* You can't have separate scroll directions for your trackpad and your external mouse.

* External peripherals in general are a disaster. Every time I connect or disconnect from a docking station my windows are left in awkward positions sized larger than my screen and I need to drag them around

* macOS seems to store a different set of monitor orientations based on what USB port I connect my dock to - same dock, same monitors, 2 different layouts I had to configure independently. I don't even know how you could accomplish that if you wanted it - and absolutely no one wants that.

* Multiple monitors is constantly an afterthought, whether it's menus, the dock, layouts, what have you

* The Settings app is impossible to find anything in. You have to search, and that works OK sometimes, but the layout has no rhyme, reason, or comprehensible order

* Safari. Enough said.

I could keep going, but I absolutely do not associate Apple with quality software.

bromuro 39 minutes ago|||
- Let’s hope they don’t change the way macOS manage windows. All the additions they made to accommodate Windows users are useless. - I don’t have any issue on searching macos settings. Could you provide an example? - safari is a great browser, i use it as main browser since years and i’d never go back I think you could keep going saying things that are not true.
zanellato19 14 minutes ago||
The alt tab implementation on macos is awful.
SJMG 1 hour ago||||
I'm a decade long Safari user. What's your grievance with Safari and what do you find better?
dlahoda 1 hour ago||||
for hardware you tried, was it all apple?
inquirerGeneral 1 hour ago|||
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tyleregeto 2 hours ago||||
Opinions vary, but I've never found Apple software to be particularly good. Their hardware is almost always exceptional.

I'd go further and say I am constantly frustrated by how difficult their software can make basic tasks. I often find many of their UX patterns unintuitive, or even feel user hostile at times. Small example, I really want to view passwords as I type them in. I constantly miss type passwords on touch screens. User error maybe, but frustrating experience.

XCode is my least favourite IDE that I use regularily.

pcurve 2 hours ago|||
100% agree. As someone who used both Mac and PC for 30+ years, and still use both, Mac OS (and iOS) aren't very intuitive. Lots of hidden functions. The way they organize settings is tough to find. It's always a struggle.
Hammershaft 1 hour ago||||
Apple hardware is incredible but the OS software & increasingly the design is mid at best.
pkaodev 2 hours ago||||
My experience is similar. Great hardware. Software is good until there is something I want to do that isn't very obvious, then it's either a hassle or not possible.

My favourite example being looking for the volume mixer, and after looking online the top advice seemed to be to pay for a 3rd party application for that... Wtf?

Hammershaft 1 hour ago||
There are so many basic gaps in functionality and so many underbaked & poorly designed Mac OS features that I end up papering over with paid 3rd party applications.
Schiendelman 49 minutes ago||
That is how Apple makes money. By design.
richardatlarge 30 minutes ago||||
Here here
hei-lima 2 hours ago|||
It's not great, ofc. But I find myself less disgusted by it.
seanmcdirmid 2 hours ago||||
> Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's, IMO. But that doesn't mean it can't be better.

20+ years ago, software was so horrible that we were just tolerating it, and every new OS release was a big deal because there was hope things would get better! Today an OS release comes out and I have to be bothered by automatic "you must upgrade messages" to even care.

People forget how horrible it used to be, and if you still use windows, how much worse it could be when vs. Apple (and let's not get started on Linux).

angoragoats 1 hour ago||
I was using (and writing) software as long as 35+ years ago and I disagree with your assessment that we were “just tolerating it” 20 years ago. 20 years ago, I was using Mac OS X Tiger on a new Intel-based MacBook Pro and it ran like a dream, and had software which mostly followed Apple’s human interface guidelines. Now I run macOS Tahoe and curse under my breath at the lack of design consistency and the iPad-ification of the interface. I’m also shown ads, and in some cases ads that can’t be dismissed or disabled, for things like iCloud and Apple Music.

When it comes to the software, I’d take the Tiger experience over the Tahoe one hands-down.

seanmcdirmid 41 minutes ago||
I used 20+ years ago as a guideline, not an absolute. Of course the intel MBP came out in 2006 (or 2007?) and was an absolute dream setup where hardware caught up with Windows while the software was pretty good as well (I was using a Mac since 2004 or so).

I don't think software is improving today, which is why I have to be nagged to upgrade. I don't think it worse, but my computer usage probably varies greatly from yours.

angoragoats 31 minutes ago||
> I used 20+ years ago as a guideline, not an absolute.

I understood that, and I was using it in the same way.

> I don't think software is improving today, which is why I have to be nagged to upgrade. I don't think it worse…

Yeah this is the part I was disagreeing with, and I gave a couple examples showing why it’s meaningfully worse now.

I’ve been using Macs since the 1980s. The timeframe of 20-25 years ago (post Classic Mac OS) was some of the best software Apple has ever released.

root_axis 12 minutes ago||||
Maybe 20 years ago, today it's no better than anything else - well designed in some aspects, total trash in others. The stewards of xcode, spotlight and siri (among many other stinkers) are disqualified from the category of "best"
bryanlarsen 2 hours ago||||
As a cross platform developer, MacOS is far buggier than Linux or Windows in my experience.
boringg 1 hour ago|||
Huh, Windows?
dlahoda 1 hour ago|||
you mean `bugs i have as developer` or bugs reported by users of your xplat app?
bryanlarsen 1 hour ago||
Bugs in the OS I encounter as a developer.
whatsupdog 2 hours ago||||
It's worst in case of freedom, which is the most important aspect for me. Every release they are slowly turning in the screws and make it harder and harder to install apps from developers who haven't jumped through all the hoops that Apple forces them to. I hope this change in leadership will change this strategy.
hedora 2 hours ago||
Google is worse. Most of their apps are cloud only with no E2EE. Also, they are much more user hostile when deciding what goes in the store (they make money off spying, but apple makes money off hw, so this makes sense).

Both those ecosystems are rapidly enshittifying (apple cannot even reliably process keystrokes with subsecond latency, and google is banning sideloading).

We need a third, actually user-serving and open alternative. Maybe the new CEO will slow or reverse the bleeding on the iOS / MacOS side.

whatsupdog 2 hours ago||
Google has so far allowed installing apps without their explicit permission. So it's much higher on freedom index, imo. And there's no obligation to use Google cloud apps. There's alternative for every Google cloud app.
modeless 1 hour ago||
Also, Pixels have unlocked bootloaders and Android is open source to the point where third parties can and do make alternative OS distributions.
cwillu 38 minutes ago||
And it's necessary to have a second phone to actually use any of that while maintaining access to one's banking app.

The hardware is nominally open only because they enforce participation in their software ecosystem via other means.

soperj 2 hours ago||||
Safari is a shinning example of how wrong this is. Sorry.

The fact that they tie the mobile version to the OS version is just ridiculous.

dagi3d 1 hour ago|||
not only Safari, several other apps such as Music (which also has several annoying quirks) never understood why they did not get their own lifecycle if they have dedicated teams for each of those apps
Schiendelman 46 minutes ago||
If you're interested, it's to reduce cost. It's incredibly expensive to build something like Music or Maps. If each version is tied to an OS version, it keeps you from having to explode your testing and fixing cycle over time.
raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago|||
So exactly why is that a big deal when unlike Android - they actually keep their phones updated?
SchemaLoad 28 minutes ago|||
It's a deal when they stop updating. It is true they provide OS updates for longer than most, but many people use devices, especially ipads for way longer than the OS supported period. And those people are stuck on an old unsupported browser without being able to update or install a 3rd party one.
raw_anon_1111 19 minutes ago||
As I said in another reply, Apple just did a security update for the iPhone 5s released in 2013 January of this year.

The latest version of iOS runs on iPads back to 2919.

The latest version of Chrome requires the version of Android - released in 2019.

So how is it better?

j1elo 1 hour ago|||
Unlike Android indeed, when you maintain a perfectly working phone that happens (by accident or force of nature) to live longer than the official lifetime some executives in a remote office had decided to grant it, the web browser cannot be updated any more. Just the single most security sensitive piece of software of any computer. Who would have guessed people were going to complain!
raw_anon_1111 1 hour ago||
The iPhone 5s - released in 2013 - just got an update January 2026.

The latest version of Chrome requires the version of Android released in 2019. Even phones that old aren’t getting other security updates.

Is that really the argument you want to make?

SchemaLoad 27 minutes ago||
They give occasional security patches for the most critical bugs. They don't do full ios/safari updates. The iphone 5s is on ios 12.
raw_anon_1111 17 minutes ago||
And neither does Google. The latest version of Chroma requires the version of Android released in 2019. The latest version of iOS supports my iPad released in 2019.
this_user 2 hours ago||||
Their legendary "goto fail" debacle as well as the ease with which ios has repeatedly been jailbroken would disagree. I think geohot once quipped: "My lawyer could write a better malloc."
Veserv 2 hours ago|||
I much prefer the defect where the root password was the empty string [1].

https://security.it.miami.edu/stay-safe/sec-articles/macosx-...

[1] Actually, the defect was that creating a root account was a unprivileged action, so anybody could create a root account on your machine with a password of their choice. The most obvious presentation is that you could login to root by pressing enter twice with the empty password; the first time creating root with the empty password and the second time logging you in.

ninju 2 hours ago||||
12 year old coding bug

https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/02/22/applebug.html

Jtarii 2 hours ago|||
Never understood that if statement style, it seems to only exist to create subtle bugs.
array_key_first 2 hours ago|||
It's slightly less lines of code which is nice. I'm someone who prefers terseness so I get it.

However, it's bad. I much prefer the rare, elusive, postfix if:

   goto fail if (condition);
It can create some very readable code when used right, with short and simple conditionals.
youngtaff 2 hours ago|||
iOS (and MacOS) now use Google’s BoringSSL instead and have for many years
dieortin 1 hour ago||
Do they? Based on what I’ve seen with a quick search, this doesn’t seem to be true
wfme 2 hours ago|||
Dare we not look to Android.

goto fail was relevant in 2014 - perhaps not the most useful point in 2026.

BugsJustFindMe 1 hour ago||||
> Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's

But it's worst in the Apple software world compared to Apple's. In fairness, Microsoft has also been in steady tragic decline for a while. I don't know about Google.

mlinhares 1 hour ago||||
I haven't really had to work with microsoft software but apple's software quality is abysmal beyond the OS (and even the OS has places that are a joke, like the bluetooth stack).

I'd rather use nano than having to write code on xcode.

wewtyflakes 1 hour ago||||
I have not found this to be true for the software side of things.

- Apple Music's UI/UX is quite rough on MacOS.

- Trying to use my iPhone to type a long password on my Apple TV is hit-or-miss.

- For some reason trying to view a password using Keychain requires you to enter your credentials twice, every time, for as long as I can remember.

Schiendelman 43 minutes ago||
Most of the main apps on Apple TV shouldn't require a password anymore; you log in on your phone to authorize. The next Apple TV should simplify this further...
lateforwork 1 hour ago||||
> Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's

You are comparing against the wrong thing.

Compare it to NeXTSTEP from 35 years ago:

https://infinitemac.org/1989/NeXTStep%201.0

NeXTSTEP was both more usable and better looking.

toephu2 2 hours ago||||
Google is much better at software than Apple...most in the Valley would agree with this.
antipaul 2 hours ago|||
Performance wise, they often seem solid.

Usability wise (UI/UX/design), they are in the gutter.

hei-lima 2 hours ago||||
It's uneven in my experience. OS-wise (Android, ChromeOS), I've had some big and frustrating problems. On the other hand, I really like some of their web apps (Drive, Docs).
tristanb 2 hours ago||||
Google has one of the worst commercial UX of any products I've ever used.
jorvi 1 hour ago||||
Ah yes, the company that still can't their gesture and backswipe UX functioning properly 7 years after its introduction, and with Apple giving them 2 years to study it beforehand.

A decade to produce a non-functioning gesture bar / system. Such a titan among titans.

tonyedgecombe 2 hours ago||||
Only if you put aside the fact that Google makes its money from selling your attention.
thiht 2 hours ago||||
Google software is trash
throw0101a 2 hours ago||||
> Google is much better at software than Apple...most in the Valley would agree with this.

Perhaps. Assuming it actually keeps existing:

* https://killedbygoogle.com

actionfromafar 2 hours ago||||
Their IMAP is okay, I guess.
pityJuke 2 hours ago||||
God, I miss Android so much. iOS still annoys me. The app situation is sadly better on iOS, though.
whatsupdog 2 hours ago|||
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Congeec 3 hours ago||||
Best in terms of what? Quality Control? UI/UX?
glenstein 2 hours ago|||
Presumably in terms of a conventional colloquial sense that's an amalgam of those among other things.
hei-lima 2 hours ago||
This!
coro_1 2 hours ago|||
Not necessarily UI / UX - the entire preferences -> settings change remains the best example. The rest seems pretty good.
lunarboy 3 hours ago||||
oh the horror stories I've heard from friends at Apple. Don't think I've heard anyone who writes tests at Apple
2muchcoffeeman 2 hours ago|||
So, they’re just like every other software outfit.
leptons 17 minutes ago||||
I'm not sure how you can think Finder is better than the alternatives. It's awful, and has always been awful, IMO.
tehlike 1 hour ago||||
Apple could use a fresh approach to their software release cycles. I wish i could talk to someone at apple on this.
poolnoodle 1 hour ago||||
In my opinion Android (especially the Google Pixel flavour) is vastly more intuitive and logical than i(Pad)OS these days. I almost need to consult a manual to change my wallpaper on iOS. Anything to do with file management or notifications is also just plain bad on iOS. The keyboard is bad. Background downloads don't work reliably. If I want to transfer photos from a computer onto an iPhone I need special software and then cannot delete those pictures on the phone itself. I can choose between 3 multitasking paradigms on iPad – terrible!
bigupthewhole 1 hour ago||||
Have you seen xcode? Have you seen Appstore connect in comparison to Google play console?
mcmcmc 2 hours ago||||
Have you tried Siri lately?
apazzolini 2 hours ago||||
> Apple's software is the best in the [category of shit software]
hei-lima 2 hours ago||
I kinda agree with this. But that doesn't affect my statemente.
nixass 2 hours ago||||
> Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft

Apple's iOS is hot garbage. The macOS is not far behind on how horrible the UX is

dlahoda 1 hour ago||
what is better?
Danox 1 hour ago||
If you are reading Hackers News for the most part, you are out of touch with the normal computer users and that was said over and over again with the introduction of the Mac Neo which appears to be a hit among normal everyday computer users who have never heard of Hackers News, a family member recently just bought one of the new Mac M5 PowerBook's and I expected some cry for help setting it up. Guess what there was none.

In the answer to your question, there is nothing better overall across hardware and software top to bottom and that applies to computers, smartphones, tablets, and watches across five ecosystems.

selectnull 1 hour ago||||
> Apple’s software is the best [...] compared to Google's or Microsoft's

Honestly, that's such a low bar to hit.

modeless 1 hour ago||||
Android and Windows are better than iOS and macOS in many non-trivial ways. They have their own problems too, but as a user of all of them I don't prefer the Apple software. Apple's hardware, on the other hand, is clearly superior.
dlahoda 1 hour ago||
what is most non trivial way example?
modeless 1 hour ago||
Android has a far better OTA update system than iOS. The notification system is much better and the default keyboard is better too. It supports multiple user profiles that you can switch between instantly, with their own separate apps and settings and home screens, a long requested feature for iPads that is inexplicably still absent on iOS.

Windows has a better desktop compositor and window manager than macOS. It supports Nvidia GPUs with CUDA. It also has WSL so you can use real package managers instead of homebrew.

gcau 1 hour ago|||
I find it hard to believe this comment isn't sarcastic. Apple's software, atleast in particular macos, is horrendous - to the point I ditched my m2 macbook for a thinkpad because of how bad it was. It's like a toy OS.
whatever1 4 minutes ago|||
The shareholders expect more profits. So no, the only way is ads and fees on the best sellers.

If they can make 50B from ads in the iPhone in 12 months why invent a new device that will make pennies.

Sorry folks, the math is brutal for the big corps. They cannot pivot and make cool things, the market demands to be milked until they bleed.

Fr0styMatt88 3 hours ago|||
Curious as an outsider what you mean with US politics? Seems like Apple has a pretty strong stance when it comes to things like privacy that pushes back on some things (that could be smoke and mirrors though I guess).
legitster 3 hours ago|||
The privacy is more of a market position thing than it is a political thing.

Apple has led the industry on hardware but is woefully behind on the software and services front. Focusing on device-level privacy controls turns what would be a gap into a moat, and it helps deprive Google and other services from monetizing their customer base.

Not to say that it's not something the company is passionate about - but it's also good for their business. Especially when you compare it to things like human rights, transparency, and security research where Apple could take a stronger stand but don't.

nicoburns 2 hours ago|||
> The privacy is more of a market position thing than it is a political thing.

It is a market position, but companies do have some choice in which market positions they choose to take. And I wouldn't underestimate the effect of the personal views of the CEO in that.

lostlogin 2 hours ago||||
> and it helps deprive Google and other services from monetizing their customer base.

The payment Apple gets from Google for being the default search might help explain this. It would be hard to turn down the sums Apple gets.

https://9to5mac.com/2025/09/03/just-one-word-in-the-google-a...

charcircuit 2 hours ago|||
>but is woefully behind on the software

iOS is ahead on software security compared to Android, Windows, Desktop Linux, etc.

mrexcess 1 hour ago||
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003230
valleyer 3 hours ago||||
Start here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/07/tim-...
baal80spam 3 hours ago|||
If you think Ternus wouldn't do it, you are in for a bad time.
valleyer 3 hours ago||
Well, I hope I'm not, but yes, I will be quite disappointed if so.
brandall10 2 hours ago|||
Apple is a multi-trillion dollar public company.

It would be unusual for a leader of such a thing not act in accordance w/ shareholders' best interests, as well to defy likely board guidance.

shye 1 hour ago|||
Most shareholders may not care beyond the next quarter, but CEO action that led to those results were made couple of years ago at least, and current action will do as much to determine not the next quarter, but one slightly further in the future. Hence Jamie Dimon, for example, making a different decision in a similar matter. As Dimon explained: “[…] we have to be very careful about how anything is perceived, and also how the next DOJ is going to deal with it. So, we’re quite conscious of risks we bear by doing anything that looks like buying favors or anything like that”[1].

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[1] https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/05/business/video/jp-morgan-chas...

jmye 2 hours ago|||
“Capitulating to the current regime on everything is in shareholder’s best interests” is neither a foregone conclusion nor a statement of fact. It’s economic myopia at best.
brandall10 2 hours ago||
Let me be clear - I'm not happy about it. But ignoring such a reality reminds me of that quote comparing Job's best friend to a lawnmower.

That said, I'd love to enlightened to how it's myopic, or rather, what course(s) of action you would take, keeping in mind that Apple is a multi-trillion dollar public company.

mrexcess 1 hour ago||||
Wouldn’t Ternus have had a hand in the Apple Silicon backdoor?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003230

dwaite 2 hours ago|||
My condolences in advance
an0malous 2 hours ago||||
It's less than the other tech CEOs who seem to evade criticism on HN. Elon literally worked for Trump, accomplished nothing, and ended up just leaking everyone's social security data. Thiel and Palantir are profiting from war and building out the surveillance state. Bezos made a $75M documentary about Melania. Larry Ellison took over TikTok US to squelch any criticism of US and Zionist war atrocities.
al_borland 3 hours ago||||
Depending on who you talk to, this could go either way. Some people want big companies to champion their own political ideals on a larger stage and think Apple should do more. Others would say Apple should stay out of it, after things like their gift to Trump[0], for example.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/news/737757/apple-president-donald-...

hedora 2 hours ago|||
#appletoo
ebbi 1 hour ago|||
> maybe a change in leadership will change how Apple participates in US politics

I think you're attributing a lot more agency to a CEO role (for a publicly listed company, at the least) than they actually have.

tokyobreakfast 1 hour ago|||
> Apple hardware is already amazing

Apple also made some amazing hardware blunders.

My personal favorite is the force-touch home button on the previous generation iPhones and iPads wouldn't work if you were wearing a band-aid. I don't mean the fingerprint reader, it wouldn't even click. So don't ever cut yourself if you were planning to unlock your phone ever. It added basically nothing for the end user over the previous physical home button besides rendering the vibrate function wimpy and useless.

unsupp0rted 1 hour ago|||
The less companies “participate in US politics”, the better for all involved
tty456 1 hour ago|||
I feel like Apple's biggest challenges these next 10 years will be logistics, being able to create or take advantage of additional redundancy in the supply chain for their major components.
Danox 29 minutes ago||
With Ternus being the new CEO don’t be surprised if Apple takes a more active role in designing around the three Stooges of memory and bring it (the design and engineering) in house like the rest of the Apple Silicon chips.
riazrizvi 2 hours ago|||
Cook was a steward of Apple as an offshored manufacturing behemoth. I'm looking forward to where this reset goes. Hopefully better and American made products.

The privacy focus is why Apple is dominant today, keep that up.

levocardia 1 hour ago||
So you're looking forward to a $2000 iPhone 18e?
riazrizvi 1 hour ago|||
Pricing is based on customer value and restriction of customer options.

If we're paying $1000 for a Chinese phone that we'd pay $2000 for, we'll end up paying that price when the manufacturers have finally starved the professional capability to compete from the rest of the world. As we get closer to that point, the urgency to onshore is increasing.

Exploitation when we can get away with it is in our social nature as humans. So this isn't about the Chinese, or any other culture. It's just necessary for this to be onshored because it's critical.

mohamedkoubaa 41 minutes ago|||
If I never had to replace it again, I wouldn't mind that price.
nobodyandproud 2 hours ago|||
The user privacy can’t be overstressed. It and a sane release cycle are what keeps me on Apple.
nixass 1 hour ago||
it means nothing when the UX is hot garbage
tjwebbnorfolk 16 minutes ago||
I spend my entire day in VSCode and Chrome. Who actually interacts with the built-in OS UI anymore?
JeremyHerrman 2 hours ago|||
re: US Politics, I view Apple's gift of the gold & glass trophy to Trump more as a humiliation ritual Cook had to endure so that they can continue to uphold their principles, but with a less adversarial government.

Sure it's gross but it does not necessarily signal an abandonment of values from Apple.

tastyface 1 hour ago||
Disagree. Cook shows up to dinner parties with Trump all the time. I think he genuinely feels solidarity with the Epstein class.
alex1138 1 hour ago|||
I'll forever associate Tim Cook with Zuck

And his "kind of glib"

No, Zuck, you're just mad Apple introduced fine grained control so you can't constantly scrape people's credentials

nottorp 2 hours ago|||
> Apple software is terrible

I killed a Finder process that was at 1.2 G ram consumed today...

appplication 2 hours ago||
I wish I could get my Chrome memory footprint so low
nottorp 1 hour ago|||
Oh I also killed my Teams Chrome tab at the same time. But it was only 1 G :)
tester756 2 hours ago|||
Chrome is equivalent of operating system, meanwhile Finder? :D
arduanika 2 hours ago|||
Tapping a hardware guy as CEO sends a good signal, at least to me, looking in from the outside. The company is leading from its strength, and getting back to its roots. I wonder how Woz feels today, seeing this.

But somewhere in the mix, Apple could also really use another great product mind, like the other Steve. It has been too long since the last era-defining product from Cupertino.

I have no idea what that next big thing would be. And of course, a bad product mind in charge is worse than none at all! If the next big leaps come from other companies while Apple just keeps doing what it does best in the hardware categories that it already dominates, then I guess that's fine, too.

hedora 2 hours ago||
If they are going to tap a HW guy as CEO, the next big thing should be giving exec comp and positions to every member of the Asahi Linux team, and putting them in charge of SW at Apple.
Danox 19 minutes ago||
No don’t waste any time on Linux, Apple memory independence, clustering and moving on to M5, M6, M7, and beyond, a technocrat in charge yes, hopefully Apple will continue to iterate across the software ecosystems and the hardware systems.
dlahoda 2 hours ago|||
by apple software, you mean ios or macos?
nodesocket 1 hour ago|||
> Apple software is terrible

When is the last time you used Windows 11? I begrudgingly have to run it on my gaming PC and almost every time it's a frustrating experience where I want to put my fist through my monitor. Absolutely awful, zero taste, that will-do software. Windows explorer I believe is still single threaded, the integration of OneDrive into everything (my desktop is stored in OneDrive for some reason) with little to no way to undo it. Don't even get me started on Copilot. My blood pressure just rose off the charts.

unsupp0rted 1 hour ago||
> this spoiled cheese tastes terrible

> when’s the last time you tried spoiled milk then?

firloop 2 hours ago|||
FTA:

> As executive chairman, Cook will assist with certain aspects of the company, including engaging with policymakers around the world.

This gives me the impression that at least for the near-term, Cook will still be the one groveling to the Trump White House. Whatever you think about that, that's probably helpful for Ternus' dealings with the next administration.

nxobject 42 minutes ago||
The big bucks are for simultaneously groveling to Trump and China’s leaders. China usually makes or breaks the quarterly numbers after all.
elicash 2 hours ago|||
> Apple software is terrible

The Vision Pro software team did an incredible job. Its software is more impressive than its hardware.

walterbell 2 hours ago|||
Did Vision Pro leadership subsequently take over Apple Intelligence?
hedora 2 hours ago|||
Did they? Why don’t I see people using this product while driving, or even walking down the street?
elicash 2 hours ago|||
You're asking why, if its software is better than its hardware, people aren't driving cars with them on? Not sure I follow...
dialogbox 1 hour ago||||
Because the HW is bad and pricing is bad. Not because SW is bad.
Danox 13 minutes ago||
The hardware is best than class in both software and hardware by a mile who is this other company Meta or is it Microsoft with a HoloLens? Long-term iteration is the only way the Apple Vision Pro will get better if it took 13 years to come up with an M1 processor beginning to end and six years to have your first working modem that can be used in a smartphone there are no shortcuts long hard iteration is the only way.
wat10000 1 hour ago||||
Because it costs thirty five hundred American dollars?
Danox 3 minutes ago||
The Apple Vision still needs to get two or three times better preferably with an M6 or M6 processor, whoops, more memory, faster SSD, thunderbolt five etc. oh and it needs to be $1500 Hmm… not possible for another two years? With better software.

And to do that more than likely the engineering and design of memory systems probably needs to come in house. No more outside dependency.

jmye 2 hours ago|||
The software being good and it being used in a product consumers wanted are two very different things.

What did you think you were asking? Or was this just a lame, ill-conceived gotcha that probably needed another few hours in the oven before being chucked in the garbage?

vovavili 1 hour ago|||
>Apple software is terrible

That's a wild claim.

Rover222 1 hour ago||
Have you used an iPhone recently?
gabbagool 2 hours ago|||
I'm genuinely curious why you think Apple software is terrible?
michael1999 2 hours ago|||
They re-write many apps every few years as part of their major design changes. These re-writes inevitably introduce lots of little bugs in uncommon workflows, and they often jettison whole features like AppleScript integration that cause real problems with users. They then spend a couple of years fixing the worst of these bugs, and things die down. Until the next UI-driven re-write.
apple4ever 2 hours ago||||
Because there are so many bugs that it makes me wonder if Apple Execs ever use their own software.

For example, on MacOS, you can set an app to be on all spaces. But on reboot, despite that setting, it will stick to a single space, until you relaunch the app. It has been this way for 4-5 major OS versions.

There are PLENTY of examples just like that.

kenferry 55 minutes ago||
Well, if you're asking if apple execs use that setting, the answer is probably that they don't.

I think the issue is that there are SO many piled up little features everywhere that SOMEone is using that keeping everything working while making any changes at all is very difficult.

I am a fan of more wood behind fewer swings. Don't add something like spaces unless you think you've got something so good that you are confident that it will be the common path.

jordand 2 hours ago||||
You've not read about or had the Calculator memory leaks on macOS Tahoe, have you?
dlahoda 1 hour ago||
on windows it does not leak slowly. just preallocates 2x memory for all future leaks.
saintfire 1 hour ago||
No one accused Microsoft of writing good software.
CrimsonCape 2 hours ago|||
When was the last time you used the clusterf* that is iTunes on windows?

Or more generically answer the question: how can I get an arbitrary audio file into my iTunes music? (hint: good luck)

Music 'synced' with iTunes but not appearing on my other devices? There must be some kind of arbitrary difference between 'synced with iTunes' and 'synced with iCloud'. I guarantee this is some kind of (barely) maintained legacy syncing to keep the iTunes workflow alive specifically so Apple can avoid giving users a modern 'import to my cloud library' feature.

CrimsonCape 2 hours ago|||
Also, remember guys, you can't have a shell on iphone because. Nor a text editor. Because. ssh into your iphone? hah. These are all software issues.
simonh 1 hour ago|||
iSH is a shell for iOS, it has all the common shell tools and you can ssh into it.
charcircuit 2 hours ago|||
A shell is not useful on a touch screen device.

iOS comes with a text editor built in. Memo.

Ssh server doesn't make sense for an iPhone. How would that even work? It wouldn't be able to do anything or be a worse experience than something properly designed for the user rather than trying to force a 50 year old computing model onto a phone.

saintfire 1 hour ago|||
You say this matter of factly and yet I've seen countless people talk about using termux more than a desktop shell.

Maybe iPhone is different but most phones you can connect a keyboard to, making the shell pretty usable. Not my cup of tea but I have tried it. I'm still holding out on the dream that a good Linux phone might exist one day.

throwaway173738 2 hours ago||||
I’m very upset that iOS doesn’t support using a phone as a jump box.
ux266478 53 minutes ago|||
A shell is perfectly useful on a touchscreen device.

> a 50 year old computing model onto a phone

What? Do you think command lines are based on the lambda calculus or something?

testing22321 2 hours ago|||
> iTunes on windows

For decades it has been speculated they intentionally make that shit so people will be more likely to switch to apple

sgerenser 2 hours ago||
I’ve heard this but it doesn’t make much sense to me. People see the shit software, and they think “Apple software is shit.” I don’t think they think “This software is only shit because I’m on Windows, I better switch to Mac and run (basically) the same software there.”
thereitgoes456 3 hours ago|||
I admire how Tim Cook participates in US politics. He is doing the most while giving the least. I would do the same in his position, he is making the best of a difficult situation, and it is his duty to protect his company and employees.

Giving a golden statue of Trump has no effect on you and me, and a very large effect on Trump. He is gaining significant political capital while giving up nothing that matters (feel free to correct if I am wrong). Contrast with every other tech executive, lawyer, and university dean in America, most of whom have been cowed into compromising on their deepest values, or even worse, have done so without hesitation. I cannot think of many tech execs whom history will be kinder towards.

amalcon 2 hours ago|||
I'd be careful normalizing bribery. It's very micro-efficient, almost definitionally, but the macro effects of normalized bribery are well known and not good.
BirAdam 1 hour ago||
Bribery is the actual normal function of US politics. That’s what lobbying really amounts to.

The USA has the best government that money can buy.

shimman 1 hour ago||
Until you get fascism or welfare reforms, hopefully you aren't on the chopping block by then.
BirAdam 1 hour ago||
To be clear, I am not saying this is a good state affairs; merely that it is the normal operating procedure for the USA.
mohamedkoubaa 39 minutes ago||
Classic is ought fallacy
mcmcmc 2 hours ago||||
> Giving a golden statue of Trump has no effect on you and me, and a very large effect on Trump.

No effect on you, really. You aren’t affected by gas prices or tariffs? They are bowing down and participating in Trump’s patronage schemes. Every powerful person who does this is complicit with all the horrible things done by the Trump administration. They are endorsing Trump and his ilk with their behavior if not their words, which allows and encourages him to continue his fraud and abuse.

liuliu 2 hours ago||
Trump is the president. People voted him into the Office. Tim Cook didn't give him the golden statue before he is in the Office.

Everyone in the United States is complicit to the horrible things done by the Trump administration by your logic. I partially agree, but I also think burning Apple to the ground will not be Tim Cook's legacy and he is in no place to go against the executive branch.

It is not about Trump, it is about the corrupted executive branch. Tim didn't do any crime against humanity in his act.

mcmcmc 2 hours ago|||
> Everyone in the United States is complicit to the horrible things done by the Trump administration by your logic.

This is a ridiculous strawman. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume ignorance instead of malice.

I wrote that going above and beyond to curry favor with an autocrat in order to protect your profits is collaboration.

And you read, what? Existing under a government means you necessarily support it because there was an election? You do understand an election means some people voted the other way, right?

throwaway173738 1 hour ago||||
No, before Trump 2 nobody would’ve taken bribes and gifts so openly like this. It’s not even in the same league and it’s some really self-serving argumentation to pretend otherwise.

Every complicity is another nail in the coffin of our democracy.

phist_mcgee 2 hours ago||||
Nor does the cop who demands $100 for letting you go without arresting you.

But they're still responsible for their own personal piece of the rot in the system.

rescripting 1 hour ago|||
Is Tim the cop or the motorist in this example?

If a cop says your problems go away for $100, you pay it, because the downside is huge by comparison. The problem is the cop getting away with it, not that you paid the bribe.

2muchcoffeeman 1 hour ago|||
I hope you’re not comparing a gold trophy to a straight up bribe. It’s like giving Trump your Noble peace prize.

Having the prize doesn’t make you the winner. But it feeds Trumps ego sooooooo muuuuuch, it’s probably the “best” thing you can do to get on his good side without actually giving him anything.

tastyface 1 hour ago|||
Cook stood up to the FBI. He could have stood up to Trump -- he just didn't want to.
vel0city 2 hours ago||||
> Giving a golden statue of Trump has no effect on you and me, and a very large effect on Trump.

Bribery hurts everyone else following the law. It erodes public trust. All of us are definitely hurt by Trump's extreme and obvious levels of corruption.

thereitgoes456 2 hours ago||
I agree, but I'm taking as an axiom that some amount of bribery (tribute, really) had to be done, that Apple could avoid massive government retribution. In that lens, this bribery, while bad, is the least destructive form it could have taken. It being so gaudy actually helps this case.
vel0city 2 hours ago||
> I'm taking as an axiom that some amount of bribery (tribute, really) had to be done

It didn't.

> In that lens, this bribery, while bad, is the least destructive form it could have taken.

Its not.

> It being so gaudy actually helps this case.

It doesn't.

Normalizing corruption to this level is a bad thing. Period.

The people engaging in this should be in prison. Including Trump.

bigyabai 2 hours ago||||
> He is doing the most while giving the least.

> Contrast with every other tech executive

What contrast is there? Tech executives capitulated to Trump's demands, and Tim Cook did the exact same thing. The problem doesn't start and stop with the gold trophy, it encompasses things like European legislation, labor/union laws, and complex supply chains that Apple needs federal support to manage. There are convoluted motives here, and the bizzaro FIFA trophies are only the tip of the iceberg.

thereitgoes456 2 hours ago||
It's fair to say there is not much contrast. But he's kept Apple's DEI and climate commitments in place even after being attacked directly, while Zuckerberg, Musk and Altman are proactively broadcasting right-wing talking points, sometimes pre-emptively. Yes, Cook gave $1 million, but Brockman gave $25 million, and Musk gave much, much more.
bigyabai 2 hours ago||
We don't know what deals Cook and Trump have made with each other, we've just seen the byproduct of their relations on the political stage. Nothing Cook did during his tenure de-risked Apple from the consequences of a worsening political state in the US. When the tides turn towards authoritarianism, Apple turns towards compliance. They've done it for both Trump admins.

Cynically speaking, Cook is wise to keep the DEI and climate commitments as bartering chits for Apple's next leadership to forfeit. He knows that Apple needs leverage to get their druthers from the Fed.

Schiendelman 35 minutes ago||
When you say you don't know something about one actor in an equation, you must apply the same thinking to every other actor. It's not useful to go on the path you're going down.
FireBeyond 2 hours ago|||
> Giving a golden statue of Trump has no effect on you and me, and a very large effect on Trump. He is gaining significant political capital while giving up nothing that matters (feel free to correct if I am wrong).

He personally donated at least a million dollars to Trump's inauguration, plus whatever to the campaign.

liuliu 2 hours ago||
He also donated to Kamala Harris campaign. He would also donate to the next Democratic president for their inauguration if they still choose to do this corruptive thing. And your point is?
baal80spam 3 hours ago|||
I can name some terrible software, but it wouldn't be Apple's.
ValentineC 3 hours ago|||
macOS and iOS 26 are quite bad.
anonyfox 2 hours ago|||
Really wanna discuss the current windows debacles? Come on! Apple software regressed but it’s not outright hostile bad still.
array_key_first 2 hours ago|||
That's an extremely low bar, Windows has been shit for a long time and has basically only degraded. Some people think Windows 10 was good, it wasn't, they just haven't used Windows for long enough.

Apple software isn't bad, but it is often obtuse and buggy. And, with iOS 26, usability has taken a big hit.

tcfhgj 2 hours ago|||
at least you can still decide on the software you install
esafak 40 minutes ago||
How do you not install all the ads?
dlahoda 2 hours ago||||
what is bad for you? was you at linux or windows - may be apple is best of all bad?
basisword 3 hours ago|||
Give the competitors a try...
bigyabai 3 hours ago|||
XCode, Apple Music, Siri, Apple Maps, The App Store, Finder, Safari, Spotlight, iCloud...

I'd need another hand to fully count all the Apple apps that have burned me in the past.

jonhohle 2 hours ago|||
It’s so sad. Circa 2003 OS X wasn’t just good it was amazing. Nearly Movie OS quality. Every release the quality goes down. Every migration to SwiftUI more and more AppKit standard feature get lost.
tonyedgecombe 2 hours ago|||
In 2003 it was a dog’s dinner. I remember getting kernel panics from pulling out an already ejected USB stick.
internet2000 47 minutes ago|||
2003 OS X sucked.
soapdog 2 hours ago|||
Can we add Photos to that list? Can we add it twice cause it is that bad.
gizajob 2 hours ago|||
Books can go on it too. No matter the free storage space on my iPad, it relentlessly nerfs stuff to iCloud rendering its utility on long aeroplane journeys completely worthless.
bigyabai 2 hours ago|||
I'll add it once, we need a donor hand to tally the iOS and WatchOS versions.
brikym 2 hours ago|||
Let's hope John takes his job Siriously
pharos92 2 hours ago||
Saying Apple Software is 'terrible' is a blatant hyperbole. Has it degraded meaningfully over the last decade in terms of stability? Yes. Has it's capability increased though? Yes. Has it become more secure by design? Yes. Is the UX better than anything else in market? By a country mile.
tensor 2 hours ago||
The UX used to be better by a country mile. The liquid glass update was a genuinely serious regression. Is Windows or Android now better? At least those operating systems don't have constant contrast issues and flickering. At this point they probably have more consistency.

MacOS reliability has slowly gotten worse and worse, but the UX drop with liquid glass was profound.

Schiendelman 33 minutes ago||
I don't agree with the whining about liquid glass. Sure, it isn't the design you like. But usability really isn't that different.
oofbaroomf 3 hours ago||
Wow. Hopefully, Ternus will bring what he brought to Apple's hardware to their software. The hardware is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else, but their software gets worse and worse every generation. I'm glad to hear this.
btown 3 hours ago||
Ternus recently gave an interview where he said this about the initial flop of Apple Maps:

> “When we started out with maps, it was an ambitious undertaking. It was bumpy,” said Ternus. “But the team had just been over the years just pushing and pushing and pushing. And Apple Maps today is absolutely amazing. If you have the vision and you're persistent and you keep working at it, you can take something you know that has a rocky start and turn it into something great.”

Here's hoping he recognizes that Apple's current generation of software is in the "rocky start" phase, not the "pushing and pushing" phase and definitely not the "absolutely amazing" phase. Time will tell...

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/apples-joz-and-ternus-on...

krackers 2 hours ago|||
There's some irony there in that the whole maps fiasco lead to firing of Forstall which allowed Ive to become head of design, which basically led to the current state of macOS design.

I do wish that some day someone will tell the story of what happened during that time. Maps was bad at launch yes, but it also wouldn't get better without people contributing more data, and the fact that it took a decade to slowly improve implies that there's nothing anyone could have done to get it right "off the bat". It still feels to me Forstall was set up as the fall guy, especially considering no one was fired for antennagate.

latexr 1 hour ago|||
Reportedly, Forstall wasn’t liked by the other senior execs but was kept “safe” as Jobs’ protégé, they thought alike and shared the love for skeuomorphism design. Ive in particular disliked Forstall, and Tim Cook made a choice.

https://www.businessinsider.com/apples-minimalist-ive-assume...

walterbell 51 minutes ago||
Could Forstall potentially return under new Apple leadership?
UqWBcuFx6NV4r 40 minutes ago||
What? No. Why would he even want to?
JKCalhoun 40 minutes ago|||
Forstall fired an engineer I had worked with (and who I respected a lot) to take the fall for Apple Maps.
JKCalhoun 2 hours ago||||
“When we started out with maps, it was an ambitious undertaking. It was bumpy…”

And I know many engineers within Apple that had been testing Maps before it shipped and they were filing bugs about it. It shipped anyway.

dpark 2 hours ago|||
> It shipped anyway.

“Real artists ship”

No product worth using is bug free.

jakeydus 1 hour ago||
No product is bug free. Are all products worth using?
mort96 43 minutes ago||
"No product worth using is bug free" is not the same statement as "all bug free products are worth using". Come on man, this is basic logic.
Affric 1 hour ago|||
I mean the problem was the Google contract, yeah?
fckgw 3 hours ago||||
Apple Maps is pretty fantastic
jonhohle 2 hours ago|||
On macOS there are so many basic things you’d want to do - share itineraries, annotate places, keep lists of things, but there’s not even a document concept. With the exception of guides, anything you do is ephemeral. It’s excellent at planning a route, but doing anything with that route, including getting back to it later is useless.
Spooky23 32 minutes ago|||
All true, but you have to measure it against how enshitified Google Maps has become.
dlahoda 1 hour ago|||
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drob518 2 hours ago||||
It’s gotten a lot better, but I still find the address database better in Google Maps, which helps when you have only a fragment of an address. I also find that the Apple Maps database has a lot of roads that read the same. For instance, in Texas where I live, we have a lot of “Ranch Roads” that are numbered. Think of them like state highways in other state (which we also have; don’t ask). For whatever reason, most of the Ranch Roads are spoken by Maps as “Ranch Road,” not with the number. So, if you have a spot where multiple Ranch Roads intersect, Maps will just say “turn left on Ranch Road” instead of “turn left on Ranch Road 123.” It’s tremendous annoying. In another state, imagine it saying “turn left on Interstate,” without a number. Anyway, Google Maps does better.
Affric 1 hour ago|||
Google is not without its errors.

I used to work to resolve addressing disputes and google just doesn't expose (maybe even store) the relevant information for a lot of parcels of land.

It’s all available freely from the government in simple formats but for Joe Public they don’t know that much less how to access it and it’s the case that technicians on the ground don’t always have it in their SOP either. Google has a level of market dominance that means their errors can be, for a small individual or over an aggregation of small individuals, costly.

drob518 1 hour ago||
Yep, they all have flaws. I just fine that when I want to drive somewhere, Google does better for me than Apple, though certainly Apple has improved a lot recently.
projektfu 2 hours ago|||
Google Maps often picks the non-idiomatic thing. It'll say the road name when no sign uses that, and it's a US highway that you have been following for a while. Or it will tell you the state highway number when it is a major named artery, and nobody knows that it is a state highway at that point or uses the highway number. This makes it hard to know if it is carrying you along on the same route or if it has come up with one of its weird shortcuts to save 1 minute.
Affric 1 hour ago|||
Here in Australia Apple Maps names everywhere by local council, which isn’t used at all, we use localities. I have reported this as a bug repeatedly but they just keep at it.

It just means nothing here except who you pay to collect the bins.

drob518 1 hour ago|||
Yep, that’s sometimes true as well.
ncruces 2 hours ago||||
Maybe elsewhere it is. Here, it's terrible.

In general, for all it benefits from globalization, Apple disappoints on global markets.

cageface 51 minutes ago||||
In the US. In many other countries it's borderline useless.
jdalgetty 2 hours ago||||
I haven't used google maps in years.
pityJuke 2 hours ago||||
90% of my usage of it is because it actually displays the map on my Watch, whereas Google Maps & Citymapper only show directions.

If it weren't for that, I'd use Citymapper for practically everything.

xyst 2 hours ago||||
It’s okay. It’s still subpar and barely keeping pace with Gmaps
JohnMakin 2 hours ago||||
it was far inferior to its competitor when it was released
mikestew 2 hours ago||
That was, what, twelve years ago? Hardly seems relevant.
JohnMakin 2 hours ago||
it's relevant in the context of this conversation:

> Ternus recently gave an interview where he said this about the initial flop of Apple Maps:

While it is great now, it did flop because it was terrible.

mikestew 2 hours ago||
Bah, missed that part initially. Thanks.
lotsofpulp 2 hours ago|||
And they just added ads.
hedora 2 hours ago|||
What is he smoking?!? Apple Maps was fine a few years ago, but these days it routes me to the wrong place about as often as organic maps, and siri is completely broken. It renders a blue dot showing where I am, and responds “I do not know where you are”.

Also, the UI for it keeps getting more cluttered, and they announced that in-map ads are coming Q2-3 2026.

foobiekr 3 hours ago|||
Hardware people, in my very direct experience, are terrible at software. But we can hope.
trsohmers 3 hours ago|||
Software people, in my very direct experience, are terrible at hardware... While in jest, I do think most software engineer's understanding of hardware abstractions is pretty poor and does disservice to the hardware they run on.

I know between Moore's Law and Gate's Law which one I would prefer to be the industry standard... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law

freedomben 3 hours ago||
Generally speaking, I think both are true. Most people seem to have an affinity for either hardware or software, but rarely for both. Those who do are extremely unique. I don't mean that as an insult to anyone, just as an observatin having worked in both (and personally am much better at software than hardware, even though I enjoy both).
cogman10 2 hours ago||
I find both interesting but have been working in software for over a decade now.

Honestly, the thing that pushed me into software dev was the fact that hardware tools were absolutely garbage. Verilog felt like a joke of a language designed to torment rather than help the user.

buildbot 2 hours ago||
Verilog is not the best and that’s not even the worst part - tools like ISE/Vivado and Quartus are even worse!

It’s really amazing that at least there are some fully open flows for FPGAs these days, unfortunately they don’t support system Verilog. (I think this is still the case?)

e40 13 minutes ago||||
I've worked for 40+ years with a hardware guy and he's great at software, for one reason: attention to detail. In hardware, you have to test, test and test. There's no "fixed it later with a patch" (for the most part).

I don't have a lot of samples, just one. So, YMMV.

mihaelm 3 hours ago||||
It's more the hope that he can bring the culture embedded in the hardware division over to software, which hopefully results in better software.
relaxing 2 hours ago||
What they need is a culture of UX focus, and I don’t think it’s present in the hardware team either.

They’ve coasted too long on consistent visual identity, and even that’s been slipping. Time to focus on actual user needs.

coldtea 3 hours ago||||
The whole idea of (good times) Apple was hardware and software made coherently by the same people though.
cogman10 2 hours ago||||
Well, and aspect of hardware dev that lacks in software dev is testing. A mistake in hardware is much harder to correct once it leaves the factory vs a mistake in software. A large portion of hardware budget is ultimately spent on QA.

I have to think some of that attitude would be good for apple's software division.

It's not as if ternus will be writing code directly, he's managing managers. Hopefully that means he'll demand and budget more for QA.

drob518 2 hours ago||||
In many cases, yes, but it really depends a lot on the person. I have a computer hardware degree but have led both software and UX teams. If you have a hardware background, you’re going to have to acquire a software background before you can lead software teams. What you can’t do is lead a software team like a hardware team (or vice versa).
Fr0styMatt88 3 hours ago||||
This is actually one thing I think will be great as AI coding agents get better. Companies whose main expertise is hardware might start producing better software.

There are so many little bugs in consumer-facing apps that hit the ‘sweet’ spot of being incredible little annoyances that just aren’t worth putting an engineer on for a week to fix, but which are totally worth having an engineer throw an agent onto them.

nottorp 2 hours ago|||
How? Coding agents are trained on every copy of every tutorial that skips error checking and implements the least resistance path.
Fr0styMatt88 1 hour ago||
I mean I would hope at least one person actually reviews the code before it goes out, but yeah we all know what hope does :)
elzbardico 2 hours ago|||
Yeah, like fixing a annoyance while introducing one or two SEV-1 for sure is going to be great progress.
calf 2 hours ago|||
What technological advance is there for high quality complex software?

The advances that made Apple Silicon possible were, fundamentally, TSMC and ARM. These were the material conditions that had to exist in order for a tech company to capitalize on a new generation of vertically integrated chip design. Now what's the conditions for next generation Mac OS? What research advances or software engineering paradigms that are mature enough for adoption? The state of Apple software isn't just due to mismanagement, it is, but the success of the hardware entails technology nodes as a confounding factor.

crooked-v 3 hours ago|||
Short-term, I'm just hoping this means the AirPods Max (and Vision Pro too, I guess) get a redesign that ditches all the uncomfortably heavy metal shells.
crims0n 2 hours ago||
Granted I have a big ol' head, but I like the metal frame in all its heft - they feel ultra durable and I don't worry about throwing them in a bag.
necovek 3 hours ago||
I tend to disagree to a point: their laptops have great internals but are terrible from a usage perspective — I like to imagine their system board in a Thinkpad X1 Carbon chassis with native Linux!

But HW is at least improving (eg. they added anti-reflective screen option), and SW is very much not.

ericzawo 1 hour ago|||
They are leaps and bounds above any other laptop on the market. Who wants a plastic chasis and nub in 2026 over a modern Macbook Air.
makeitdouble 40 minutes ago||
They are leaps and bounds ahead for people who want their specific formula or don't really care about computers.

Apple has always been a "our way or the highway" brand, we can at least keep in mind that 3 laptop formulas only differenciated by size and thickness won't cut it for everyone on the planet.

ValentineC 3 hours ago||||
> their laptops have great internals but are terrible from a usage perspective — I like to imagine their system board in a Thinkpad X1 Carbon chassis with native Linux!

I don't know about Thinkpads, but the utterly pleasant glass trackpad is still one of the things I cannot find on most non-Mac laptops, despite every manufacturer being able to copy it for years.

The closest I've found are the Surface laptop/cover trackpads, but they have their own set of reliability and repairability issues.

As a MacBook user, I very rarely want to use a mouse except for gaming. THe trackpad is delightful enough for the bulk of my use cases.

pxc 2 hours ago||
> I don't know about Thinkpads, but the utterly pleasant glass trackpad is still one of the things I cannot find on most non-Mac laptops, despite every manufacturer being able to copy it for years.

I was never a trackpad person until I finally got a Mac at work maybe 10 years ago. But since the trackpads stopped really clicking in favor of haptics, they're a lot worse than they used to be. I get false/double clicks and inconsistent feedback.

ThinkPads have nicer keyboards, but they stopped doing the more traditional IBM layout several years ago, which is really unfortunate. I'd be willing to pay for a more traditional keyboard layout with a slightly smaller trackpad and/or a sizeable bottom bezel (which is actually preferable for me because of my posture when I use a laptop most of the time).

bombcar 9 minutes ago||
Interestingly enough the Neo went back to a clicking trackpad; you might want to try one and see how it feels for you.
the_lucifer 2 hours ago||||
> I tend to disagree to a point: their laptops have great internals but are terrible from a usage perspective — I like to imagine their system board in a Thinkpad X1 Carbon chassis with native Linux!

> But HW is at least improving (eg. they added anti-reflective screen option), and SW is very much not.

And I would disagree with the idea that I should be running Linux on my primary machine. As a developer, I've faced enough "death by a thousand cuts" situations from running Linux on my personal router and servers to let it anywhere close to my main computer.

Don't even get me started on the hardware quality of Mac laptop including their stellar trackpads, screens and the smallest details like the quality of the hinge. I can still open my 5 year old Mac with a single finger and the hinge is as solid as the day I bought it.

As someone who's also particular about user experience, Linux always fails at this. If you have good UX, that means you can critically think for what a user wants from a computer, and can determine what should and shouldn’t be prioritized. UX is never a first-class citizen on Linux, and for all the issues with Tahoe, macOS still has enough residual quality left in it to not feel like I'm constantly fighting the operating system.

Simple example: I want HDR on Linux. Should be easy right? Just switch to Plasma under Wayland? Then do a one time config so mpv can play HDR. Oh and no browsers support it so good luck. Games need gamescope and flags to be set.

I want my computer to work, not for me to work as an integration engineer. So I use my Mac and it just works™. So I just let Linux live where I feel it works best, in servers and headless environments.

dlahoda 1 hour ago||
did you tried nix home-manager for linux software setup? i never was able to use linux until nix.

hardware - afaik only lenovo(some say asus is worth to try - but no official linux support, framework is sturdy but feels cheap) is well know for quality hardware - others are questionable.

unfortunately AMD AI Max 390/2/5+ nor Qualcomm Elite 2 Lenovos are not here.

happygoose 1 hour ago||
if you use nixos you end up feeling like you need to spend more time developing your personal computer's configuration than developing your actual projects, ime.

it kind of 'just works' if someone already wrote the nix code to do what you want it to do and put it in nixpkgs and you manage to find it and figure out how to use it. but if that isn't the case, good luck. i once spent almost a week trying to get a program to build and run properly under nix that could probably be installed in around 20 seconds on a osx/windows machine.

honr 25 minutes ago||
This might have been the case a couple of years ago, but it is certainly not true any more, if you use AI [even occasionally] to manage some of your default.nix and flake.nix files. I learn by getting AI to edit it (default.nix for example), and then study what it did. It helps.

The quality of the managed / packages software, however, is still a bit subpar compared to Debian and Redhat.

iluvcommunism 3 hours ago|||
How do you feel about their trackpad? I think they’re the best on the market.
seba_dos1 2 hours ago||
They're pretty good, but you can find other good trackpads too. The main thing about Apple is that their trackpads are consistently pretty good, while with other brands it can be hard to figure out what you'll be getting until you try it yourself.

There's also software component. It has improved by now, but early libinput was giving some good trackpads bad rep.

danielrhodes 3 hours ago||
I think Tim Cook took Steve Job's vision and really took it to the moon. If you think about the last 15 years, Apple has really become the biggest possible version of itself without losing its values.

Tech in general has changed quite a bit though. I don't know how Steve Jobs would have reacted to AI, and I don't know where tech itself would be if Jobs were still around. But I do think the next evolution is due and yet to be seen. It's not clear that Tim Cook would be the one to effectively see that through. And so I think his timing is impeccable and probably aligned with what is best for Apple. I have a lot of respect here: time has shown that a lot of leaders don't let go until its too late.

simplyluke 2 hours ago||
I'd also add that from the perspective of an employee in the industry, Tim Cook has had a remarkably steady hand throughout multiple business cycles in the industry that have made Apple a much better place to work than many of the other very large tech companies: no massive over-hiring after covid, no massive layoffs to correct for that, average tenure at the company BLOWS other companies out of the water, a reputation for a strong engineering culture

I say this as someone who hasn't worked there, but has a large number of friends and peers who currently do or have in recent years.

ebbi 1 hour ago||
Agree. With the cash balance that Apple has, CEO's usually get tempted to make moves that let them flex, but he was very disciplined in that sense.
noahlt 1 hour ago|||
Hacker News? More like MBA news.

I'm not just being snarky — I don't think it's reasonable to say the profit-maximizing service-oriented Apple is the best possible version of itself without losing its values of personal computing and individual empowerment.

dvt 30 minutes ago|||
> I think Tim Cook took Steve Job's vision and really took it to the moon.

I vehemently disagree with this. I think Cook's logistics and business-focused goals are, if not diametrically opposed to Job's product obsession, at the very least orthogonal to it. Almost everything about Apple the product, over the past 15 years, has either coasted (e.g. stayed at par with the rest of the industry) or gotten worse. The one exception is arguably Apple Silicon (and I'm sure their board is acutely aware of it).

lukeify 2 hours ago|||
Steve Jobs existed in an era where he could show us new technology when new technology brought a sense of joy and amazement; whereas due to a multitude of factors, new technology no longer causes such emotions for a substantial portion of people.
makeitdouble 27 minutes ago|||
To a point I think the blame lies on the tech companies not doing their jobs. The iPad could have been that kind of joy and amazement machine for many, except it never was allowed to entrench on the mac or the iPhone.

The Steamdeck was a breath of fresh air, the whole Steam frames and cube could have been a big deal.

wvbdmp 47 minutes ago|||
Eh, it still could if anyone would make it a priority. I’m not a Jobs or Apple fanboy by any stretch, but I think this is selling him short.
thenanyu 2 hours ago|||
Siri was under jobs. He saw AI before everyone else
ubercore 2 hours ago|||
I know it is actually AI, but calling Siri AI vs the current state of the art is... generous.
uncivilized 35 minutes ago|||
Calling the current state of art AI is also generous.
cubefox 2 hours ago|||
Siri was GOFAI (handwritten software) rather than a model written by a machine learning algorithm.
ivanjermakov 2 hours ago|||
AI talks started before Jobs was born...
drob518 2 hours ago|||
Cook did a great job. I was hesitant when Steve Jobs died and Cook took over. Jobs was so visionary and it wasn’t clear that a finance guy would be a good fit. He clearly learned what he needed to and he trusted those people around him in the organization who also had vision to do what they do best. So, kudos to Cook. He proved my fears unwarranted.
jayd16 2 hours ago|||
Honestly, I think Jobs would hate the fuzzy, unpolished results that AI gives you.
w10-1 3 hours ago||
His letter (at the top of Apple's web site) is moving:

  https://www.apple.com/community-letter-from-tim/
I understand Tim is a logistics genius and Ternus is a hardware genius, and that we all want better software and policy from Apple, but I'm glad that there seems to be good people at the head of one of the biggest and most consequential companies, and further that they seem to care about being good people.

As far as I can see, that's the only way to have a prayer of scaling without too much damage, which is the key issue humanity faces today.

voncheese 2 hours ago||
Thank you for sharing the link, it's a good read.

Also want to second your point about the need for having good people leading large organizations like Apple. Especially so as things are changing so fast in technology, with a widening impact across more and more aspects and parts of lives of people and society. We certainly see the negative impact that comes with questionable and/or short term decisions (see social media), so I too am hopeful that above all else, Ternus is a good person and makes (for the most part) good decisions for people and society first and foremost.

archon810 1 hour ago|||
https://www.apple.com/community-letter-from-tim/

Why share it as a quote rather than a link I can click?

mghackerlady 2 hours ago|||
I really wish they did more for free software. I know they contribute heavily to LLVM and are still the main stewards of webkit, but they've very much ignored darwin as a free software operating system, to the point it feels like they only keep it free out of legal obligation
anonym00se1 21 minutes ago|||
Ternus is not a hardware genius. He's a hardware engineer that rose through the ranks at Apple because, from what I've heard from Apple hardware engineers, Dan Riccio liked him "like a son."
liuliu 2 hours ago||
I honestly don't know. tim@apple.com is unavailable for quite some time now (since I tried a few years ago), while lisasu@amd.com still works around that time frame.
ladberg 27 minutes ago||
It's always been tcook@ - and it will get looked at by someone at least
alsetmusic 2 hours ago||
For Apple nerds that pay close attention to company, this is no surprise. Third-party dev Marco Arment wrote a blog post speaking to Ternus earlier this month[0].

Marco has enough standing within our world that it's actually a clever idea to appeal to Ternus on these terms. He'll probably be aware that it was written and the appeal is somewhat generic in its call to reverse course on some Cook-era policies.

We're all very hopeful but there's not enough information available on the outside to predict with any certainty how he'll lead.

0. https://marco.org/2026/04/01/letter-to-john-ternus

tchalla 3 hours ago||
> Under Cook’s leadership Apple has grown from a market capitalization of approximately $350 billion to $4 trillion, representing a more than 1,000% increase, and yearly revenue has nearly quadrupled, from $108 billion in fiscal year 2011 to more than $416 billion in fiscal year 2025.

Quite successful.

thimabi 3 hours ago||
I also liked the part about growing the company while reducing its carbon footprint by more than 60%.

Even if that figure might somehow be inflated, it is impressive nonetheless.

benoau 10 minutes ago|||
It's probably an even bigger reduction considering their growth.

But it's still a net deficit of nearly 15 million tons of emissions of which practically none are offset.

https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr...

ihsw 2 hours ago|||
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pzo 2 hours ago|||
This is what’s all bad with us stocks and completely disconnected with market value: Revenue jumped 4x but market capitalization got inflated to 12x.
rootusrootus 1 hour ago|||
Investors are forward-looking, though, so it just means that they think the future looks brighter than the immediate past.

The real disconnect IMO is TSLA.

pama 2 hours ago||||
The price over earnings (arguably an imperfect, but better way to compare stock prices against each other than using pure revenue) for Apple has been fluctuating within about a factor of 2 for the last 20 years. Since before the iPhone, people were nervous about the possibility of sustained growth of profits of the company, and the P/E was similar to today. Once Apple started making a lot more money under Tim Cook, the price was at a relative discount becauee 10 years ago people were certain (but wrong) that this run would end soon and badly. The long term stability under Cook was truly impressive. Lets see what the markets think abiut the leadership change tomorrow, but probably this is not an immediate event.
cesarvarela 1 hour ago|||
Some of that is debasement, but some of that is that there is no other brand like Apple.

Would you not own stock of the most valuable brand in human history?

benoau 4 minutes ago||
It's not the brand - it's not like Apple's hit this valuation in isolation Meta, Nvidia, Google, Microsoft all enjoy similar.

It's the cash-money value of putting a fee on all digital goods and subscriptions and cash transactions in a world predisposed to forming and consolidating around monopolies. What does Apple's services revenue look like in another 20 years when Africa, China and India are paying their smartphone provider every time a dollar moves?

IncreasePosts 1 hour ago||
For the same period:

AMZN: +2100% META: +1700% MSFT: +1300% GOOG: +1400%

elicash 37 minutes ago||
Was meta a public company back then? Amazon, I think, was quite small, too.
tencentshill 3 hours ago||
Is the loyalty represented by the golden trophy transferrable? Or is it tied to each CEO, like Applecare+?
linkjuice4all 3 hours ago||
As long as he goes by "John Apple" he should be ok - usually the bribe gets credited to the surname.
kashunstva 3 hours ago|||
I think you will have your answer if you consider which approach nets the recipient the larger number of golden tributes.
pupppet 3 hours ago||
I'm glad someone mentioned this.
al_borland 3 hours ago||
I’m curious Ternus’ views on services and the heavy hand Cook has had with them. I’d like to see Apple chill out a bit. Have them, but stop pestering users with in-OS ads and notifications to sign up. It’s been very off putting and cheapens the platform.
lotsofpulp 2 hours ago|
I hope they sell a higher priced monthly Apple One bundle which allows people to pay extra to not see ads in Apple Maps. Can even make it multiple tiers for no ads in Apple TV and Apple Maps, or maybe privacy plus tiers so they can earn more money by not selling search history.
BitwiseFool 53 minutes ago|||
Personally, I hope the lack of advertisements in Apple Maps comes bundled with the fact that I purchased an iPhone. A lack of ads is a selling point.
lotsofpulp 37 minutes ago||
My comment was tongue in cheek. They are already here:

https://ads.apple.com/maps

Which means the only other option is to hopefully be able to pay Apple even more to not have to see ads. Maybe buy more Apple shares to share in this "advancement".

al_borland 2 hours ago|||
Add Apple News to the list. Paying for Apple News and still getting paywalled by various sources was insane. I don’t know who approved that, but it turned me off the whole service.

Apple Maps really needs to up their POI game. They have some native data, but I’m still regularly seeing images from 3rd party sites and get prompted to download the app. I understood it in year 1, but we’re 13 years in now. This is the primary reason I keep Google Maps around.

projektfu 2 hours ago||
It's remarkably annoying, as a business, to keep your Apple Maps data up to date. But, thankfully, they seem to have ended their partnership with Yelp.
CarbonCycles 1 hour ago||
I commend Apple for hiring someone internally...someone who climbed up the ranks and understands the DNA of the company.

Also think it's cool that John Ternus has only a bachelor's degree with a very down to earth presence. I completely dig his LI page being really bare bones.

I suspect Apple is about to experience another Renaissance era...

lateforwork 11 minutes ago|
Plus his degree is in mechanical engineering. I wonder how he climbed up the ranks of hardware engineering with a degree in mechanical engineering. Quite amazing.
valine 3 hours ago|
Apple silicon has been an unmitigated success so it makes sense they’d go with Ternus. On a related note Apple needs to add Ternus to their spell check dictionary
boarsofcanada 1 hour ago||
Apple Silicon wasn’t under his purview, that would be Johny Srouji.

Not saying that Ternus wouldn’t have been involved in or part of the decision making process in moving the Mac to Apple-designed silicon, but I haven’t seen any indication he was any more involved than other execs at the company.

caycep 7 minutes ago||
He also got promoted
anonym00se1 19 minutes ago|||
Ternus had essentially nothing to do with Apple silicon. That's all Srouji and his team.
doctorpangloss 2 hours ago||
they made a bet on EUV on better commercial terms than samsung and intel could do for themselves. another point of view is that TSMC's cost structure, of having highly educated, overworked, and wildly underpaid Taiwanese employees, is the real unmitigated success.

you could say apple silicon was almost 2 years ahead of its time, or you could say that intel lost years on bad bets. there are only 3 consumer-scale, leading node foundries in the world!

is apple a, "making good commercial terms with poor counterparties" company? yes, to their core. whether it is their employees whom they worked to the bone, their suppliers in the ASEAN trade network, or the US politicians who starkly are too broke to regulate giant US corporations, for whom too little money goes too long of a way.

my point is, who the hell knows! there are many, many points of view. it's not any one thing. but one thing's for sure, i don't think i'm upgrading my phone until it blows up anymore, and this is the simple, greatest risk to their business.

so they're going to become a company that breaks phones to get people to replace them, regardless of what they are today :)

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