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Posted by Cider9986 13 hours ago

Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?(rivian.com)
622 points | 251 commentspage 5
sciencesama 6 hours ago|
can this be done on a tesla ?
varenc 12 hours ago||
> For non-Canadian vehicles, you may reach out to Rivian Service to request that we disable the eSIM card in the vehicle through a service appointment.

I certainly appreciate that disabling network connectivity is even possible, but a bit scummy that non-Canadians have to make an in-person service appointment.

Is there some Canadian law at play here that requires they permit Canadians to disable this easily from the GUI? Would love legislation like that in the US.

jmward01 12 hours ago||
This is, in a word, crap. We give you a fake option to turn off data and make it egregious by killing features that shouldn't need it like lane keeping. How about instead a real privacy option that actually is true? 'Block identification'. 'disable sim when not in use'. 'no server side storage'. And, yes, do allow turning off all data and NOT from a service call, just a simple option. Also don't block features that clearly don't need that like lane following.

Having ranted a bit though, in the world of car companies an official policy on how to turn data off is amazing. The bar is so low right now that it is crazy to think this terrible implementation riddled with dark patterns is a 'win'. These companies need to be shut down.

threecheese 12 hours ago|
My understanding is that Rivian’s lane keeping (and other features like it) are only possible because of driving data collected to train their models.

It’s not such a stretch to believe that there’s some aspect of this that is specific to a driver or to a vehicle, and so requires that they collect your data. Even if this is not accurate, I can see a business making the decision that, given they need more and more data to improve the model, they would not allow customers to opt-out of that training cohort and still use the feature. Incentives etc.

Directionally though, I am with you on auto telematics data collection; I am not sure you can even buy a new car in the US that doesn’t ship with tracking, and many manufacturers (like the one who makes my car) don’t allow opt out at all. Fcking Stellantis

Svoka 10 hours ago||
Reading comments, I expectantly see a lot of cheering for this step, with many calling for further measures. I understand that privacy features are important to some people, but I am not one of them.

Can someone provide what needs these feature covers? Like, what are some reason to disable all internet connectivity?

I am genuinely curious.

LocalH 9 hours ago|
So you're okay with every single company being able to track you, build a profile to you, and sell that profile to the highest bidder, while you get nothing remotely comparable in value?
Svoka 4 hours ago||
I feel like I am getting access to lots of products in part shaped by my data. It is not like I have better things to do with it.
b3lvedere 1 hour ago|||
No worries that processed data might profile you in a bad way in the forseeable future?
dissolution 3 hours ago|||
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livinglist 13 hours ago||
I’m still very happy with my 2024 4Runner, one of the purchases I never regretted a single bit, I did have a Sony head unit installed for a larger screen with support of wireless Apple CarPlay, and that’s enough tech in a car for me. My wife keeps complaining about its lack of auto lane keeping but I’m ok with it bc I enjoy driving it.
senectus1 10 hours ago||
excellent.

Hope to see more of this.

cyberax 13 hours ago||
How about also adding Android Auto as well? Oh no, it'd take away their "control the user experience" power-tripping.
johnea 13 hours ago|
So why would you prefer goggle's "control the user experience" power-tripping, to rivian's?

I'd much rather side with the company that was willing to allow the user to disable net connectivity...

yjftsjthsd-h 13 hours ago|||
I would prefer to have the choice.
philipallstar 13 hours ago||||
Your phone has an airplane mode.
Terr_ 13 hours ago||
Also, I can replace or upgrade my phone a hell of a lot more easily than I can replace my car.
babypuncher 13 hours ago||||
Ideally, they would support Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. There are a few big reasons this is preferable.

- I already pay for internet on my phone, I'm not interested in paying for another cellular service just to get maps and music streaming on the screen in my car. GM ditched CarPlay specifically to push customers to their subscription service. I know some electric automakers are offering it "for free", but I do not trust that it will remain free, and that's important when spending tens of thousands of dollars on something you plan to use for a decade+.

- Third party app ecosystem means I can use the maps and music player I want, and not just what my car manufacturer decides is worth including.

- Auto manufacturers suck at software. I've yet to use an infotainment system that wasn't a stark downgrade from CarPlay.

Basically, my car shouldn't need an internet connection because my smartphone already does all the same things but better.

bluGill 9 hours ago|||
My car has Android Automotive and CarPlay and Android Auto are disabled. Honestly, if I was driving my car for all days, eight hours a day, the Android Automotive is better. However, I don't. I drive for a few minutes to work on days when it's not safe to ride my bike. That doesn't happen very often, but once in a while. It's just not worth the monthly fee and I'm really frustrated the few times I do get in my car that I can't use my phone because a car keeps jumping in when I say, hey Google. if I'm using maps, I don't see the friendly display. Which direction I'm supposed to turn and so if the kids are talking to me at the same time the jumps up, I sometimes miss my turn indicator. When playing music I don't have a nice convenient touch in front of me to say skip this song instead I have to pick up my phone which of course is illegal now for good reason.
tzs 4 hours ago||||
Worth noting that with some brands when the free cellular service for the car's use runs out and you would need to start paying you can go to the network settings and tell it to use an external WiFi network, such as your phone's hotspot, instead of the built in cellular connection.
thaeli 8 hours ago|||
Also, my phone follows me between vehicles and provides the exact same interface in all of them. Heck, I can switch vehicles and my podcast or music starts back up right where I left it. That alone is a major win for the phone-based approach - if I drive my spouse's vehicle for instance, or my old truck because I need to haul something, doesn't matter, they all have the same navigation and audio.
cyberax 13 hours ago|||
My phone runs GrapheneOS and does not use any Google service. But it supports Android Auto. Allowing it would dramatically improve the experience.

Instead, Rivian adds a purely performative toggle that makes the car's navigation largely useless and doesn't provide a good alternative.

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