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Posted by littlexsparkee 4 days ago

California farmers to destroy 420k peach trees following Del Monte bankruptcy(www.sfgate.com)
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maxglute 3 days ago|
Trash eating peaces.

Napkin math suggest 500 tankers of peach juice, which makes me sad.

ryandrake 4 days ago||
> When a processing facility closes and 55,000 acres of fruit suddenly have nowhere to go — that’s not something a family farm can just absorb

Won't they at least sell the fruit to customers through grocery stores, where possible? I can see replacing the crops based on reduced future demand from the canneries, but surely the current fruit is usable.

AngryData 4 days ago||
From what I understand it is a canning variety of peach that isn't all that great for eating fresh. So while im sure they could sell some, I doubt most people would come back for much more after the first time.
dehrmann 4 days ago||
This. They'll be edible, but we don't have a fresh peach shortage, so you don't really want these peaches.
jandrewrogers 4 days ago|||
It is common in agriculture that there is no existing market in which the price would cover the cost of moving the crop to that market. Destroying the crop minimizes the loss to the farmer.
chrneu 4 days ago|||
it's worth mentioning that this isn't a produce/fruit only thing. Dairies regularly dump milk when it isn't profitable, often in ways where it winds up in the ground water or watershed.
ryandrake 4 days ago|||
Reminds me of Steinbeck:

“The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.”

Legend2440 4 days ago||
Not what's happening here. They are not destroying the trees to limit supply and jack up prices, but rather because no one wants them.

Nor are we destroying food while people go hungry; we produce more food than we eat by a considerable margin. What hunger remains in the world is a distribution problem, not a supply problem.

creationcomplex 4 days ago||
You have no idea what's happening in the USA do you lol.

I can't speak to the fruit business, but let me assure you: people are starving, the cost of living crisis is a political weapon, SNAP is unfunded, and this nutrition is, as in Grapes of Wrath times, succumbing to the market, not to the lack of need.

People are hungry, there's just no $$$ in feeding them.

Shame.

Legend2440 4 days ago||
No one in the US is starving outside of illness or drug abuse.

75% of the population is overweight, and the rate is even higher among poor people. We've had to invent new words like "food insecure" because actual starvation is a solved problem.

recursive-call 4 days ago||
even if that was the case, there are still starving people in other parts of the world, and we’re still destroying food rather than giving it to them, because shipping food halfway across the world to give to people for free isn’t profitable
NetMageSCW 3 days ago||
It doesn’t have to be profitable, but someone has to pay for it. It’s only free on the trees unpicked.
somat 4 days ago|||
I assume there is market saturation for fresh peaches, that is, all the fresh peaches the market wants to buy are already in the market.
ErroneousBosh 4 days ago|||
How many kilos of peaches would you say you get through in an average day?
munk-a 4 days ago||
Ah so the real problem here is the loneliness epidemic. If yall were less shy and came over more often to share my home baked peach cobbler then this wouldn't be an issue!
ErroneousBosh 4 days ago||
I think you'd face the same problem with peaches as I do with laugenbrötchen, or more specifically sodium hydroxide.

It's hygroscopic as all hell and I can only buy food grade stuff in 10 kilogram quantities. But I need like half a gram per dozen rolls, so I'd have to make around 50 batches of rolls a day to use it up before it goes off.

My electric bill is going to be hellish.

munk-a 4 days ago||
Well if you make laugenbrötchen and I make peach cobbler then we can swap and our friends can have both! Experimental baking and cooking is a passion hobby of mine and it's such a nice topic that allows quick iteration and wild variations.

Efficient usage of sodium hydroxide feels like a compelling use case for consumer grade at-home thorium MSRs - we've got to get the DoE in on this now.

ErroneousBosh 3 days ago||
> Well if you make laugenbrötchen and I make peach cobbler then we can swap and our friends can have both!

Distribution at scale becomes a problem when you're talking in the region of 600 rolls per day, but I figure some sort of compressed air cannon to shoot bags of them across town when they're still warm might be okay. Although, I'm in the UK, given the history of politically-driven homebrewed artillery enthusiasts, maybe drones would be better.

> consumer grade at-home thorium MSRs

Oho, now you're talking. Run a genny off it too, how are your 3kW solar panels looking *now*, guys? Oh you're only getting a wee bit from your feed-in tariff? Cool, cool, well there you go I guess...

afavour 4 days ago||
How would they establish those relationships with grocery stores, and get the peaches to them? Sure you could do it with a handful of local stores but the numbers we're talking about are a rounding error.
sys_64738 4 days ago||
The Man from Del Monte said No?
traderj0e 4 days ago||
They should hire me to maintain those trees, they'll die faster that way.
trunkiedozer 4 days ago||
Frozen peaches are superior
Aboutplants 4 days ago||
What are the likely crops that would replace these? Is there chance for Agrivoltaics or straight up Solar being the most profitable opportunity?
crazyfingers 4 days ago||
Fruit isn’t very efficient.
trunkiedozer 4 days ago||
So weird to have so many peach experts here, but I think it’s peachy.
robinsoncrusue 4 days ago||
You know something is dark when they had to make it exactly the infamous number 420k. For those who say "California has always had some satanic/dark element to it", they might be onto something huh?
mrunkel 3 days ago|
What is dark about the best time to get high?
bestouff 4 days ago|
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ch4s3 4 days ago||
> The impacts pushed a delegation of California lawmakers to ask the U.S. Department of Agriculture to provide financial support to the fruit growers.

Seems like the opposite of the free market. Large farmers are usually the first people lining up for a government handout, and their representatives are regularly anti-market types.

bdangubic 4 days ago||
this is exactly right, all US farmers are basically socialists and they consistently vote for the one of the most socialists parties on the planet - the republican party
ch4s3 4 days ago|||
We have 2 anti-capitalist parties right now that shower largess on on their favored interests.
bdangubic 4 days ago||
only one is pretending not to be one though… during the NYC mayoral election there was a single GOP politician who wasn’t publicly crying about mamdani (as if anyone cares what congressman from some shithole state thinks about it) which is just so comical. republican party is more socialist (when it needs to be) than china
nkrisc 4 days ago|||
They’re selectively socialist.
ch4s3 4 days ago|||
Isn't that most socialists?
bdangubic 4 days ago|||
that is the best kind of socialist
baggy_trough 4 days ago|||
Isn't that what is happening, minus the government assistance?
bell-cot 4 days ago|||
The U.S. has not had any sort of Free Market in agricultural products since at least 1942 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

Sure, there's plenty of puffed-up talk about having one. That's kinda like the talk about Santa bringing toys for good little girls and boys.

lenerdenator 4 days ago||
The Free Market magic hand™ does not apply to those who have capital and are facing losses. That's only when you don't have capital and are facing losses.
skybrian 4 days ago|||
Did Del Monte's investors and lenders lose money? It would be strange if they didn't.
lenerdenator 4 days ago||
This is more in reference to the farmers.
bestouff 3 days ago|||
Exactly.

(I wonder why my comment has been deleted)

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