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Posted by signa11 8 hours ago

StarFighter 16-Inch(us.starlabs.systems)
362 points | 190 comments
lhl 1 hour ago|
Oh, is this actually out now? If so, great, but I took a quick look and didn't spot any third party review yet. For those interested in this laptop, personally I'd still wait for some reviews from some real world people.

Some history on this laptop:

- The StarFighter 16 was originally announced back in November 2022 with an original delivery timeline of 3-4 months: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/yjuahx/star_...

- Here's a 500-comment HN thread from Feb 2023 about it (3-4 months later) now with an additional 4-5 month lead time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34759507

- The latest production updates only go back to July 31 2025 - they mention a 3-5 month timeline from January 2025 (seeing a pattern?): https://starlabs.kb.help/starfighter-production-updates/

There's an "Unboxing" video from Star Labs on the StarFighter from January 22, 2026: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjYJS5AJZpE

So, 3.5 years later, the chassis is still neat, and good on them for plugging away I guess, but for anyone that actually needs a new computer, there's no shortage of higher-end Linux-centric laptops with a better shipping track record (Framework, Tuxedo Computers, Slimbook, etc).

simonjgreen 4 hours ago||
What an unfortunate time for these niche hardware companies to be launching new hardware. Framework, StarLabs, System76, (I wonder if Tuxedo will release something). The RAM prices must be killing them. Even if they increase prices to accommodate, I know quite a lot of folks who are simply punting any purchasing until things calm down.
InsideOutSanta 2 hours ago||
I just ordered my Framework without any memory or storage, hoping that by the time it arrives, I'll be able to pick up some RAM and an SSD for a more reasonable price. If not, I'll just grab something from a drawer and use it underspecced until prices normalize.
pcblues 1 hour ago|||
Sensible thought. I very much hope there is a glut of one-three year old ram and GPUs on the market in about one year when the AI market "cools" and the ear-marked components return to the market.

The banks that lent the AI industry the money are already trying to sell their debt.

chao- 53 minutes ago|||
Unless you meant buying an entire server (instead of laptop/desktop components), it won't work out the way you are describing. Prices may come down, but the components for the datacenters market aren't fungible with the components for laptop or desktop. You might not know what is being "earmarked" in this case?

Yes, the DRAM dies all come from the same wafer supply and fab capacity, and those limits are the cause of the current prices. However, once the memory OEMs have packaged DRAM dies into something like an LRDIMM or SOCAMM, the cake is baked. It's no longer usable in a laptop or desktop. No amount of X-year-old LRDIMMs (hypothetically) flooding the market will be useful for anyone's desktop or laptop. And then there's HBM, where the dies are directly on-package with the CPU or GPU.

Second-hand, revalidated server DRAM components may contribute somewhat to a price decrease, but those won't be the components you or I will be purchasing (unless you run a true server platform as a desktop, in which case, shine on you crazy diamond!).

The same is partly true for GPUs: there are PCIe versions, but most are OAM or SXM modules. You might be able to jury-rig an SXM module into a desktop? Adapter cards exist for at least some SXM versions, and you could figure out the cooling somehow? But it's probably more trouble than it's worth.

oompydoompy74 5 minutes ago||
I have some amount of confidence that the sellers on AliExpress will figure out how to create cheap hardware that makes use out of all of this when it hits the secondary market.
danparsonson 1 hour ago|||
Unfortunately most of it will likely be HBM and datacenter GPUs and therefore useless for consumers.
morserer 58 minutes ago||||
Smart move!

You have lpcamm2 just sitting around in a drawer? Or did you get last-gen?

broodbucket 1 hour ago|||
Always the play if you're comfortable sourcing and installing your own because their store will always have a decent markup.
pjmlp 4 hours ago||
True, but contrary to the fruity models, some of these are upgradedable.

My Asus netbook started with basic configuration and was maximised during its lifetime, just like any PC desktop.

close04 3 hours ago||
Except that if you want to save on RAM you'll also have to pick the lower resolution screen and lower rated CPU. These aren't easy upgrades later on.
pjmlp 3 hours ago|||
Still better than no upgrades at all like on Apple land, back to the 8 and 16 home computer days, only external upgrades and cable salad.
tkz1312 1 hour ago|||
at least for a framework they are very easy upgrades tbh
zamadatix 7 hours ago||
This page shows an image of a laptop motherboard with socketed memory https://us.starlabs.systems/cdn/shop/products/B5i7PCB-01x200... but it actually has BGA soldered LPDDR5X.

I wonder why the price difference between the 8845HS and the 285H is more than the cost of some complete 8845HS based systems. Also a shame one can't opt out of the storage or accessories like (yet another) measly 65W USB C+USB A GaN charger.

Other than those things, it actually looks decently exciting. I love the 16:10 + high resolution. Screen brightness isn't amazing, but also better than average. Glad to see 120 hz+ across all of the options. Privacy kill switch is great but the removable magnetic webcam seems a bit overkill/complicated given the kill switch (a simple physical slide would have been plenty as well). The hardware options aren't too bad for an open/Linux focused device. 6 USB ports + HDMI + audio ports is great, given the thickness it would have been cool to throw in a built in ethernet port, SD slot, and DP out to negate most of the need for the dock.

If I hadn't already bought a laptop this year this would probably be high on my list.

negura 3 hours ago||
i would highlight two non-tech strengths of starlabs as well: they're based in Europe and from personal experience they have really good customer service
skinwill 6 hours ago||
They use the same image on their mini pc's page. https://us.starlabs.systems/pages/byte
benterix 25 minutes ago||
> 01. Removable Webcam With its easy-to-disconnect magnetic connector, you can simply unplug the webcam whenever you want to ensure that no one can access it.

What about the microphone though?

The camera issue has been solved years ago by a simple analog hack of physically obscuring its field of view, with some business units having a physical switch built-in.

The same is much more difficult for a microphone, hence the appeals of privacy-conscious folks about it, mostly unanswered.

retired 3 hours ago||
I’m unable to order this laptop without a charging brick which is now illegal in the EU.

Same goes for the standard one year warranty. Should be two at minimum.

I had my country configured to Belgium while testing this.

nottorp 3 hours ago||
Do they actually have a business presence in the EU?

If not, how would those rules apply to them?

Edit: tbh, the new "user friendly" idea of automatically converting US prices to the local currency of the visitor in spite of the company not having any connection to the visitor's locale always makes me think of drop shippers, not of legitimate businesses.

Especially if i'm in a non USD non EUR country, I am fully aware that there are different currencies in the world, I already have an established process for converting between those currencies and it's likely to be more to my advantage than whatever Stripe offers so please cut it down.

yreg 1 hour ago|||
They are mandated to provide 2-year legal guarantee under EU consumer protection law when they target EU consumers -> i.e. operate an eshop that ships to EU and sells in local currencies. Regardless of where they are located.
nottorp 1 hour ago||
And those EU consumer protection laws apply outside the EU?

I know that USers think their laws apply everywhere, but that's just a myth.

echoangle 1 hour ago|||
In the opinion of the EU, they do as long as the customer is in the EU.

Everything else is just enforcement.

foldr 1 hour ago|||
They apply to products that a company ships to the EU, yes. As another poster points out, these could (in principle at least) be seized at customs if they are noncompliant.
looperhacks 1 hour ago|||
They sell to the EU, so they have to follow their regulations. If they don't, the devices can be seized by customs.

Tbh there are more issues if they wanted to be compliant with EU regulations. I'm fine that they aren't compliant (they aren't in the EU, after all), but it's something to be aware of when ordering from them.

maxerickson 54 minutes ago||
Wouldn't customs seizing the device be a bigger problem for the importer?
postepowanieadm 1 hour ago|||
It's not warranty, it's Gewährleistung.
Zardoz84 3 hours ago|||
doesn't charge by USB-C ?
wolfi1 3 hours ago||
USB-C is required from 2027 on
walthamstow 2 hours ago|||
Wait til you hear about Hacker News' level of compliance with the GDPR
klez 2 hours ago||
I'm curious: why is hacker news non-GDPR-compliant?
walthamstow 1 hour ago|||
You can't delete your account by self-service, you have to email dang, which is probably non-compliance because it adds friction. It's a grey area, it'd have to be tested in court. I highly doubt anyone will bring a case though. That's like calling the police on your own drug dealer. (IANAL)
KaiserPro 1 hour ago|||
> which is probably non-compliance because it adds friction.

You're gonna have to point to part of the regulation where thats not allowed. there is a mechanism for deletion. so long as its done within 30 days its still within spec

walthamstow 26 minutes ago|||
I don't know it inside out but I'm following the basic standard "it should be as easy to withdraw consent as give it"

The overall point being that if you want to use a product/service, you'll look past minor violations of local regulations on account deletion or charger bundling.

dgellow 1 hour ago|||
I don’t see how that has anything to do with GDPR. An email is a perfectly fine way to initiate the process. It’s not a gray area
teekert 3 hours ago||
They are free to charge you extra for taking the charger out of the box. So I'd grant them a bit of civil disobedience on this one and just take that nice GaN charger.

I can see the EU's take on this, and maybe overall this will even be good. I have some nice Anker chargers and can charge everything we have at home with them (added some USB-C to ligthning/micro-USB thingies here and there), but I'd be a bit annoyed if the EU would force my company operating with small margins to have 2 versions of my packaging workflow.

Maybe they should just "encourage" good behaviour? With a law that is less forcing, ie just say: "If you offer a version without charger, the price must be the same as with charger. " That would (slightly) encourage leaving it out, while not forcing companies' hands.

The laptop is being shipped anyway, so I assume the charger in there may be a "sweet deal" if you need one. 65W GaN chargers are a nice sweet-spot at the moment (size/power/price-wise), ie Ikea has one at 14 eur), wouldn't mine having one or two extra.

retired 2 hours ago|||
The easiest option to implement would be to have separate SKUs for the charger and the laptop. And not three SKUs: laptop with charger, laptop without charger, separate charger.

If you ship to multiple countries you can reduce the SKUs even more as the laptop SKU isn’t country specific anymore.

Offering a version without the charger for the same price would not reduce ewaste which is the point.

IshKebab 1 hour ago||
The laptop SKU probably would be country specific due to keyboard layouts though.
retired 1 hour ago||
Forgot about that one! And EU devices need an engraved trash-can (WEEE symbol)

https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/product-requirements/l...

throwuxiytayq 2 hours ago|||
> The laptop is being shipped anyway, so I assume the charger in there may be a "sweet deal" if you need one

You do realize you’re paying for the charger, right? And you don’t like the option of not having to purchase the charger?

miek 7 hours ago||
Excellence. I like everything, and the open warranty is nice: "Our 1-year limited warranty allows you to take your computer apart, replace parts, install an upgrade, and use any operating system and even your firmware, all without voiding the warranty."

I'd love to see more than 5 years of updates, but there is so much to love here, I can look past that!

DiabloD3 4 hours ago|
They don't sell you your OS, that's the big surface area that companies like Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc have to swallow.

They also don't make these computers and are at the whim of their ODM, so unless you opt for Coreboot/Libreboot, there wouldn't be a possibility for that.

https://doc.coreboot.org/mainboard/starlabs/starfighter_mtl.... The previous version is already upstreamed, apparently.

LiamPowell 1 hour ago||
Why are "premium" laptop vendors still putting vents on the bottom of their machines? Did they never try actually putting their laptop on their laps and realise how much that design sucks?
ulrikrasmussen 4 hours ago||
I have been using this for about a month and I love it. The screen looks great, the keyboard is great, the trackpad is great (I have been using Lenovos for ~20 years and though I couldn't live without the trackpoint). The battery life is more than enough for my usage during my daily commute and way better than the mere 1.5 hours I could squeeze out of my old Thinkpad P1.

I genuinely don't think there is anything I would want changed on this laptop.

vb-8448 1 hour ago||
How does it compare to a MacBook Pro? (if you ever used one)

I'm looking get rid of my MacBook Pro, and I'd like to switch to a Linux laptop, but I'm really worried about battery and trackpad.

ulrikrasmussen 1 minute ago||
I have never owned an Apple product, but I have helped other people from time to time. It's hard to say because I'm not used to it, but the trackpad feels really snappy and precise, and the 120hz display also helps making it feel really smooth when scrolling
komadori 1 hour ago|||
Would you like to have a version with a TrackPoint even if you have managed to live without it?

With all these boutique laptop brands, I hope that one of them will eventually produce a pointing stick keyboard offer a route off Lenovo.

alex_x 4 hours ago||
what's your average battery life?
ulrikrasmussen 3 hours ago||
I am not sure since I have never gotten to zero. But I would think I could easily get 6-7 hours out of it, although it depends a lot on the type of work I do and whether I am in meetings. I use IntelliJ and run heavy test suites all the time, and that does drain the battery faster.
999900000999 43 minutes ago||
The prices are still way too high.

You're better off buying a Dell XPS on sale, I saw one for about 800$ the other day with 32 GB of ram.

Dell has committed to actual Linux support.

I don't feel like paying a Linux nerd tax when most Windows laptops are fine.

Lenovo seems to have the best support here. Otherwise enjoy the adventure in driver land!

tarjei_huse 5 hours ago|
A framework competitor! Most of all I love the keyboard. Full size arrow keys as well as home, end and page up/down nearby.

I wish framework laptops could come with multiple possible keyboard layouts like the one on the picture.

puzzlingcaptcha 3 hours ago||
StarLabs predates Framework by a couple years. Framework just does advertising to geeks better.
maratc 3 hours ago|||
On the other hand, full size arrow keys make this a non-starter for me. I need to position my fingers over the arrow keys without looking at them, and half-size allows me to do that by touch feeling.
rixed 2 hours ago|||
For that exact same reason I've been avoiding half-sized up/down keys and full arrow keys, as well as mate screen and weight, have been my first filters when browsing for laptops. How annoying must it be to design those machines with such a variety of tastes :)
culebron21 2 hours ago|||
I feel the opposite -- with half-size up/down keys, it's too easy to mis-press them. I guess it's a matter of habit.
backscratches 42 minutes ago||
Older than framewank, and more replaceable parts.
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