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Posted by neilfrndes 7 hours ago

245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping(investors.micron.com)
95 points | 67 comments
therealmarv 32 minutes ago|
Meanwhile I'm still dreaming about any consumer and affordable 32TB or even 16TB portable SSD. Innovation and market for consumers are going backwards.

Funny thing is that one of the best you can get is the Crucial (Micron) 8TB one but even that one gets more expensive. I have the feeling it will be gone completely soon.

speedgoose 4 hours ago||
I look forward to have my favourite hyperscaler grant me 1000 "premium" IOPS per VM on this monster.
cm2187 2 hours ago|
IOPS? This thing has slower IOPS than an old SATA SSD (~40k / QLC). I think it is meant for sequential operations only.
perching_aix 2 hours ago|||
Note how that is still well in excess of what e.g. AWS EBS GP3 volumes offer (or at least used to, though even now their "80K IOPS" is measured with 64 KiB random transfers, whereas Micron measured that 42K IOPS with 4 KiB random transfers), which is what the person above is gesturing towards.

The same EBS GP3 used to be specified with 16K max IOPS at 16 KiB random transfers until pretty recently.

stingraycharles 11 minutes ago|||
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throwaway2037 2 hours ago||
I checked the specs here: https://www.micron.com/content/dam/micron/global/public/prod...

The interface looks equiv to 4x PCIe 5.0.

    > Sequential read (MB/s): 13,700
    > Sequential write (MB/s): 2,700
That is pretty awful write performance. Does anyone know more about this? I assume all of these hyperdense SSDs suffer from the same drawback. Also, I heard that the E3.L interface can support up to 16x lanes, but there are no practical commerical products at this point.
voxelghost 1 hour ago|
65 hours to restore a full backup
xattt 46 minutes ago||
Yes, but with all that data, how much heavier does it get?
Aboutplants 20 minutes ago||
“For AI workloads: The 245TB Micron 6600 ION provided up to 84 times better energy efficiency”

How big of a deal is this part in relation to the initial upfront costs? I’m not privy to the cost of power for SSD

XorNot 11 minutes ago|
It means you don't have as much to cool.

Getting rid of 30 watts of heat is trivial compared to say, 300 (I don't quite know how to read that ratio since a 2.5kW SSD seems a little high to me).

feisty0630 5 minutes ago||
Given that 2.91TB SSDs are a common enterprise size, perhaps they're saying the 1x245TB SSD uses 1/84 the power of 84 2.91TB SSDs ;p
wokes 12 minutes ago||
Want, but then need two for reduncancy... then a spare for recovery... why not 3 raid or zfs... imagine the resilver time on this. It's hit the limit of data surety surely.
nine_k 5 hours ago||
The u.2 form factor is slightly larger than a 2.5" drive. I can imagine the entire space in it taken by Flash chips. I can't imagine what cooling scheme do they employ for the chips in the middle.
adrian_b 3 hours ago||
The U.2 form factor is a 2.5" drive, not larger than it.

"U.2" does not change anything in the mechanical characteristics of a 2.5" drive, it just replaces the SATA or SAS electrical interface with a NVMe electrical interface.

You can mount a U.2 drive in any location intended for 2.5" drives, as long as its height can fit there.

However, 2.5" drives come in various heights. Many laptops and mini-PCs that accept 2.5" drives accept only some of the smaller heights and they do not accept the greater heights, like 15 mm, which are typical for enterprise SSDs and HDDs, regardless whether they have a NVMe, i.e. U.2, or a SAS interface or a SATA interface.

This new high-capacity U.2 SSD has the standard 15 mm height of the 2.5" form factor.

MadnessASAP 5 hours ago|||
Apparently TDP is 30 watts¹, according to the product brief. I would imagine it's a single PCB with flash chips on both sides then thermally bonded to the aluminum chassis. That should keep all chips at approximately the same temperature. On its own it could be easily air cooled, but with 24 in a 2U chassis you'll be having some decently hefty forced air over the drives.

1. For comparison, an HDD usually comes in around ~10 watts

trvz 3 hours ago|||
It's not just a single PCB, but a sandwich of several.
b112 1 hour ago||
The 4th Earl of Sandwich disagrees.
cyberax 4 hours ago|||
Given the cost of 24 of them, you can probably buy solid silver heatsinks watercooled with tears of sysadmins.
rbanffy 4 hours ago|||
I was going to say blood of virgins, but tears are probably better heat conductors.
i_think_so 2 hours ago|||
Hey! You leave me out of your twisted fantasy!

I just want....I just want hard drive prices to come back down. *sniffle*

rbanffy 4 hours ago|||
The transfer rates limit how much each chip can be active at any given time, so a heat-aware writing allocator can pick the least active blocks for the next writes and distribute the heat accordingly. Even if it’s not heat-aware, the tendency will be that the writes will be distributed over as many chips as there are, and so will be the heat generated.

Now, I would LOVE to see this much SLC flash on a direct to bus attachment setting.

crote 3 hours ago|||
Over the past few years the main improvement in SSD capacity has been due to them stacking an ever-increasing number of NAND layers in a single chip, with state-of-the-art SSDs already having over 300 layers.

No need to worry about cooling when each layer in the sandwich is only a fraction of a micrometer thick!

walrus01 3 hours ago||
the u.2 form factor indeed evolved from chassis designs that were originally 2.5" drives. It's now kind of becoming obsolete with new designs using things like E1S, E1L (exactly the correct height to be slotted into a 1U server, it's like a slightly wider M.2, but meant to be insertable and removable), and E3S and E3L.

Note that the 245TB is an E3L, the half size version of it come in smaller size.

https://americas.kioxia.com/en-ca/business/ssd/solution/edsf...

https://www.exxactcorp.com/blog/storage/edsff-e1s-e1l-e3s-e3...

https://www.simms.co.uk/tech-talk/e1s-e1l-the-new-server-for...

zekrioca 4 hours ago||
What is this thing that all pictures of new devices need to come with this black background?
layer8 2 hours ago|
Dark mode.
esperent 5 hours ago||
Access Denied

You don't have permission to access

"http://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-detai..." on this server.

High security on this press release.

antonvs 1 hour ago||
Your IP address might be on a blocklist.
asimovDev 2 hours ago|||
even my AWS IP is let in without trouble
tjwebbnorfolk 5 hours ago|||
works for me. akamai doesn't like you
el_snark 5 hours ago||
No problems here ...
cadamsdotcom 1 hour ago||
The word AI can be safely deleted wherever it occurs in this press release.

Very cool bit of tech.

cammikebrown 5 hours ago|
How much is it?
el_snark 5 hours ago||
They haven't released details but I was able to find a Solidigm D5-P5336 122.88TB drive for around 40,000 USD, as a guideline. So ... more than that.
dlenski 4 hours ago|||
Okay, so that 122TB drive costs about $330/TB.

I haven't bought a hard drive or an SSD in at least a decade (I get stuff for free, basically) but…that seems a bit high, right?

Seems like well-rated consumer-level SSDs cost around $250 for 1TB right now.

What accounts for the premium price/TB of these extremely high capacity enterprise-targeted drives?

rbanffy 4 hours ago|||
> What accounts for the premium price/TB of these extremely high capacity enterprise-targeted drives?

Spare capacity, mostly. That’s why they have higher endurance. If you want to double the endurance of a given drive, tell the controller to allocate twice as many spare blocks and report less capacity than you would otherwise.

In this case, you are also paying a premium for the PCIe attachment instead of SAS, and a lot for price elasticity. You see, with drives like these you slash space and energy consumption in relation to HDDs by a large number, and that allows you to pay a premium for the device, because, at the end of its lifetime, it’ll have more than covered the cost difference in saved space and energy.

userbinator 4 hours ago||||
What accounts for the premium price/TB of these extremely high capacity enterprise-targeted drives?

The word "enterprise".

bogometer 4 hours ago||||
I fondly remember when i could buy a well-rated consumer-level SSD for a lot less per TB...
jasomill 3 hours ago||
I paid $300 each for my last two SSDs, 4 TB Samsung 990 Pros.

They’re currently selling for $942.72 on Amazon.

jasomill 3 hours ago|||
Density, power efficiency, write endurance, sustained write speeds under continuous load, power-loss protection.
mikestorrent 4 hours ago||||
I was quoted $18K for a 3.7 TB Dell NVMe disk the other day. I'm gonna guess these drives are literally a quarter million each
r_lee 33 minutes ago|||
> I was quoted $18K for a 3.7 TB Dell NVMe disk

surely you don't actually think that's realistic pricing?

cyberax 4 hours ago||||
You're getting ripped off. NVMe SSDs are expensive, but not THAT expensive. A 4Tb drive should be around $1k even with some "enterprise" markup.
UltraSane 3 hours ago|||
$200/TB is reasonable. $300 if it is VERY fast. That is just robbery.
ricardobeat 3 hours ago|||
Apparently $80k, not that terrible in comparison
xbmcuser 3 hours ago|||
4-5x times what it would have been if not for the demand from AI. According to my rough calculation 4-8tb ssd drives were going to reach parity with hdd this year
baq 4 hours ago|||
‘Contact us’
ukuina 5 hours ago||
If you have to ask...
0-_-0 4 hours ago||
I don't think he wants to buy one
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