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Posted by wslh 19 hours ago

Brazil's Pix payment system faces pressure from Visa and Mastercard(www.elciudadano.com)
238 points | 206 commentspage 3
airstrike 10 hours ago|
I've been living abroad for over a decade now, so I never got to experience Pix.

I went back to Brazil a few years ago for a couple of weeks, and a kid on the streets asked me if I could buy some chewing gum and help him out. I wanted to, but I had no cash, so I told him I had no cash at all.

He said "It's fine, just send me some with Pix".

I still remember the incredulous look on his face when I told him I also didn't have Pix. He was certain I was lying. "_Everyone_ has it. How come you don't?"

pelasaco 5 hours ago|
had the same experience.. "how come you dont have Pix?"
bell-cot 19 hours ago||
It would be Un-American to overlook any chance to forcibly intervene in a Latin America country for the financial benefit of a large American company...wouldn't it?
manoDev 18 hours ago|
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/12/amer...
ares623 2 hours ago||
If there is a company in New Zealand working on a similar system, I'd love to hear about it because I would like to work for you.
pelasaco 5 hours ago||
The only problem I actually face with Pix in Brazil is:

Some stores only accept Pix and don’t want Visa or cash. As a tourist, you end up unable to access a lot of things because, well, we don’t have Pix.

While I was in Brazil, some thugs with pistols came into a bar where I was. They forced people to send a Pix payment to a specific account, and their money was gone. In the credit card era, I guess the companies, insurance providers, and banks could reverse the transaction and cover the losses. With Pix, as I understand it, nobody feels responsible for it and the money is gone.

eb0la 5 hours ago|
Reminder: always travel with a spare phone with a broken screen just in case.
jacknews 18 hours ago||
Every country should have this.

Why would you let America take 2-3% of your transaction volumes?

It perhaps made sense when the technology was difficult, and America was trusted, but ...

ExpertAdvisor01 18 hours ago||
It's interesting that we live in 2026 and people still don't understand the fees of credit card processing.

Visa charges only a Assessment fee the majority goes to Issuer Bank +PSP.

E.g: Interchange fee (0.8-1.8%): Paid by acquirer to issuer (card-holding bank)

Assessment fee (0.1-0.3%): Paid to card network (Visa, Mastercard)

Acquirer margin (0.3-0.8%): Retained by merchant’s payment processor

Scaled 18 hours ago|||
The army of middlemen with their hands out is the worst part, where you also have fees paid to the merchant bank, the iso/payment service provider, and a chain of agents. In disfavored industries like adult content, this can reach 15% or more, plus thousands in annual "high risk" fees (even if chargeback rate is good). It's a huge anticompetitive racket, and the sooner US can shake off Visa/MasterCard, the better off we'll be.
plumeria 8 hours ago||||
Add an extra fixed fee if you need 3D Secure (and equivalents). This should be covered already by the assessment and interchange fees to begin with.

Card networks' moat is their network effect. If you need to take a payment from someone around the world, cards are very convenient. Unless Pix and friends get to interop globally, cards will always have a place.

airstrike 10 hours ago||||
Any percentage based fee for processing a transaction is borderline criminal.
laurencerowe 15 hours ago||||
EU regulations limit those interchange fees to 0.2% for debit card transactions and 0.3% for credit card transactions so total costs are much lower for businesses. Cards have replaced cash even for small transactions in most European countries.
guntars 18 hours ago||||
The banks and the payment processors are the real customers of the payment networks and they all do better when they can squeeze more money from the end users - the cardholders and the businesses. Pix cuts out these middlemen and that’s an existential threat to their business model, ergo an “investigation” by the Trump admin.
varispeed 17 hours ago|||
All should be free. Imagine if government decided to impose 3% revenue tax, yet these companies get a free pass.

If these networks cannot run this for free, then they should be nationalised and tax payer should cover it. It will be cheaper (because it will become non-profit) for everyone and better.

laurencerowe 15 hours ago||
Cash handling also costs businesses money so I'm not sure it needs to be free, just strictly regulated.
estebarb 9 hours ago||
Many banks already require monthly or annual payments for keeping an account with them. They also use the money from deposits to lend it at high interest rates. It is not like the banks are not extracting much more than a fair share of revenue from a captive market.
KK7NIL 18 hours ago|||
> Why would you let America take 2-3% of your transaction volumes?

I don't think VISA/Mastercard takes such a fee? (They'd be some of the biggest companies in the world if they did.)

The fees they charge are actually fractions of a percent, the rest are charged by the card issuer, which is usually your bank.

You could, in theory, use the VISA network and not pay those fees to a card issuer.

surgical_fire 18 hours ago|||
Still greater than 0.

There's absolutely no reason for a country to outsource paynent infrastructure to US corporations.

cyberax 17 hours ago|||
> You could, in theory, use the VISA network and not pay those fees to a card issuer.

You can not. The only way is to have a private agreement with the card issuer. That's why stores all try to push their co-branded cards.

usrnm 16 hours ago|||
> Every country should have this

Many countries do, it's really more common than you might think. The problem is international payments and things like tourism. Want to order something from another country? Want to go there for a week and not have to use cash? In most cases it's either Visa or MasterCard.

hvb2 18 hours ago|||
I misunderstood, psd2 is Europe's equivalent.

And yes, every country should have this. Even America

Daedren 18 hours ago||
PSD2 is merely a framework for an uniform access to banking, same APIs everywhere. While you can send money through it, it's still through the same means as normal.

Many of the european countries have their own "Pix", but there's no European-wide alternative. The ECB wants to make one (tentatively titled "digital euro"), but it's going to take a long time to come out.

pcardoso 18 hours ago|||
There are plans for interoperability between the various European payment apps.

My local app (MB Way, PT) can be used to send money to Spain and Italy. Others will follow.

https://www.mbway.pt/a-interoperabilidade-e-o-futuro-dos-pag... (link in portuguese)

boudin 17 hours ago|||
Wero is the alternative, it's moving on quite well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wero_(payment)
gib444 18 hours ago|||
> Why would you let America take 2-3% of your transaction volumes?

And spy on every single transaction

dyauspitr 16 hours ago|||
Exactly and if you think 2-3% is a small number you should keep in mind that that is effectively half of what the market returns over the long-term at 7%.
expedition32 17 hours ago||
It made sense back in the 1970s when it was hard for an American to pay for a hotel room in Manilla.

But in 2026 data moves in a micro second from one continent to another.

dannyr 10 hours ago||
Philippines has QR/Instapay. Not sure if it's complete equivalent of PIX. But basically you can scan a QR code and you can pay using any bank or digital wallet.
nottorp 5 hours ago||
Duopolists whining about competition eh?
marcosdumay 18 hours ago||
Heh, Lula has a just slight lead on the elections this year.

If he cedes to the pressure, odds are he will so completely destroy his popularity that he won't even be able to be a candidate. He almost certainly knows that.

The pressure is irrelevant. Pix is not going away.

g8oz 18 hours ago||
Despite what the White House thinks American companies are not owed a business model.
bell-cot 17 hours ago|
...unless they generously grease the right palms, or push the right "us vs. them" buttons.
mikeweiss 16 hours ago|
When ever I visit Brazil now I feel very left out for not having Pix! I wanna join the electronic cash club. Don't think it's possible for foreigners tho
yangm97 9 hours ago|
It should be possible, they issue CPF numbers even for tourists if you want.
mikeweiss 8 hours ago||
Problem is you need a Brazilian bank account... Opening a foreign bank account creates tax nightmares.
martheen 5 hours ago||
Ah, so they're leaving the money on the table. I suppose they're worried about money laundering.

Indonesia's electronic wallet have two tiers, unverified and verified. You don't even need a bank account (because most people don't), just a local number (which even tourist can buy easily at airport), with the limitation on unverified tier is that you can only top it up (by cash if you don't have local bank account) and spend it on merchant, no receiving nor sending money. There's also transaction limit but most of the population won't cross that in normal days.

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