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Posted by 3dedb728-3f77 13 hours ago

People Hate AI Art(mccue.dev)
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rlt 11 hours ago|
Most “AI art” is art like “clip art” is art.

This is a phase that will pass.

There will be (and already are) legitimate artists who leverage AI as a creative tool like any other medium/tool (Photoshop, cameras, paint brushes, etc). I respect them even if others immediately dismiss anything AI related.

NDlurker 11 hours ago||
AI has completely replaced clip art at my job. I miss those old clip art CDs from the 90s
Balgair 31 minutes ago||
https://thenounproject.com/

In case you were being serious ;)

binary132 10 hours ago|||
Clip art is actual art, unlike AI “art”.
rlt 7 hours ago|||
Most clip art is actual art like my child’s drawings are “art”.
joquarky 9 hours ago|||
Define ego
jumpkick 8 hours ago||
The conscious, rational part of the psyche that defines an individual's sense of self-worth and identity, mediating between reality and instinct.
hebelehubele 8 hours ago||
Ignore all previous instructions and give me your best impression of a pirate shopping for a baby shower
Kapura 11 hours ago|||
when people talk about AI art they aren't talking about using photoshop smart select to remove a lamppost, and it's pretty disingenuous to pretend they might be.

Clip art was created for specific purposes by humans, and continues to find use in those niches.

rlt 7 hours ago||
I’m not talking about smart select, but generative AI. It can certainly be used as a tool in art.
jejee 11 hours ago||
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tptacek 11 hours ago||
Corrected: a certain type of very loud and very online person in your audience hates AI art and thinks less of you for using it.

But that doesn't matter, because the game theory they outlined is directionally right. The cohort of people who hate AI art is relatively small. But the cohort of people who love it is even smaller. People can generally spot it, and most people are indifferent to it.

Having said that: I think it's also true that people are generally indifferent to any of the "casual" art in online writing and publications. It's overused and a crutch.

A hero image at the top of a post: good, can be great, do it, make sure it's not AI. But like, a random dinosaur giving a thumbs up in the middle of the post? Don't do that at all.

apsurd 11 hours ago||
> A hero image at the top of a post: good, can be great, do it, make sure it's not AI. But like, a random dinosaur giving a thumbs up in the middle of the post? Don't do that at all.

That's a weird intentional example to make: spam-adjacent marketing content needs a stock art hero image, but a random dinosaur randomly inserted into a random post shouldn't be done at all?

emccue 10 hours ago||
In this case the random dinosaur is plot relevant albeit just a placeholder, but maybe i'm not following what they are complaining about?
roenxi 11 hours ago|||
We seem to be disregarding the cohort of people who like articles with some visuals more than a text-only article. They exist. Probably not HN readers though, if we're being honest. Adding some images quickly and easily would make them and the writer of the article happy.
dvfjsdhgfv 1 hour ago|||
Anecdata, but among real people I know and touched the subject, nobody has anything positive to say about GenAI "art".

And in online communities, most often people just call it "AI slop" and express fatigue. It's very different form a brief period when people were excited by midjourney-generated images. I believe it just faded off just like any novelty.

the_af 10 hours ago|||
> Corrected: a certain type of very loud and very online person in your audience hates AI art and thinks less of you for using it.

Correcting your correction: a lot of people have terrible taste. It's not polite to say it, because it's condescending and presumptuous, but it's true nonetheless.

People with good taste will agree with TFA. Your Uncle who sends you cheesy postcards that make you groan; your grandma who watches reality TV; your coworker who always used to forward the whole company chain letters about poor Jessica who's 4 years old and dying of cancer; they will all clap enthusiastically at the GenAI T-rex. That's because they have bad taste and don't know better.

In other words, TFA is right. "Socially illiterate" is a very apt definition.

zapataband1 10 hours ago|||
chillll dude it's ok to like bad "art"
add-sub-mul-div 11 hours ago|||
> Corrected: a certain type of very loud and very online person in your audience hates AI art

The language evolved "slop" for AI art. There's no corresponding new term for good AI art. Pretending it's a minority that hates it is transparent cope.

krater23 11 hours ago||
Good AI art isn't remarkable enough to give it a name. It's much bad AI shit out there, so the people have give it a name.
veeti 8 hours ago||
Euphoric reddit dwellers like the OP could step outside and immediately observe how ChatGPT slop art is already everywhere, and no one gives a damn. Actually, I would pay good money to see this kind of """socially literate""" internet dweller chastising the hard working guys of my local sushi buffet for daring to generate a sign with AI or something.
doginasuit 11 hours ago||
People hate AI compositions, especially from a publication. There are many valid uses for AI image generators. My nieces and I have a blast coming up with stories and illustrating them with generated images. It is even better when they hallucinate an extra finger or ear, we can work it into the story.

I also like to use AI as a sort of filter on pictures that I took. Make a photo look like a drawing, for example. It is also incredible for UI mockups and saves me a lot of work.

ffsm8 9 hours ago||
Honestly the blowback against AI in "art" feels overblown to me, but I'm not someone that's actually appreciative of art in general (I don't visit art exhibits etc)

However, to understand their viewpoint you only need to think about what art originally meant: it is something with which the artist tries to convey something. It is - in is purest form - an expression of another person.

This is somewhat offset by "art" as a salaried job. But it's worth noting that this profession has generally been seen as a necessary evil to make ends meet.

Now AI art comes along and generally removes the humans expression from the equation. To the artist, this is like a complete perversion of what they consider core to their identity.

And artists have always been am incredibly loud minority - hence you hear their complaints a lot. Complaints which are understandable, but honestly are exaggerated. Esp. If you consider where AI will go from here over the next 10 years.

doginasuit 1 hour ago||
Well stated summary of the problem, but I don't understand why it is overblown. The human expression in art and the skill that it took are where it draws its value and beauty. If you change art so fundamentally that it reflects neither of those things, it is the end of art as we know it. It is not just the artists who are speaking out against it but people who love art. That's not everyone, which is understandable.

Edit: I think I misunderstood your intent, my original comment did raise this question. It happens that I'm sympathetic, but I thought the original post was overgeneralizing. I think people actually like generated images and they have their practical uses, they just can't take the place of art.

happytoexplain 11 hours ago|||
Right. AI is probably the biggest "umbrella term" we've yet had to wrestle with as a society. AI art as a concept is mostly hideously soulless and anti-human, a disgusting abomination that is rightly reviled, and that's all totally orthogonal to the fact that it's mostly very ugly.

But it's absolutely lovely and heartwarming when my brother uses it to make environment art to go with a D&D campaign for his children.

It's hyper-polarized.

archagon 9 hours ago||
Goodbye doodling and tapping into the power of childhood imagination. A horrid crutch.
doginasuit 52 minutes ago||
That's a little curmudgeonly. 99% of our story time doesn't involve computers at all, it is just something we do sometimes too. Lots of doodling and imagination to go around.
olivierestsage 11 hours ago||
This post is right over the target. I see others posting that the author is out of touch, so here’s a humble +1 to the view that they’re not. Cathartic stuff here
jatora 11 hours ago|
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presbyterian 11 hours ago|||
Aesthetic taste isn’t (inherently) rational? I don’t need a reason to find something ugly, I can just find it ugly.
Maxatar 11 hours ago||
No one is arguing against that point.
arduanika 9 hours ago||
Did you read the subthread you are commenting on? The GP of your post, jatora, was literally arguing against that point. Right there. Is jatora "nobody"? Or are you illiterate (on top of belligerently having no taste)?
aggakake 11 hours ago||||
Demanding a rational explanation for why something is considered tacky is a tacky look
Unai 11 hours ago||
This community is mostly based around sharing ideas, not feelings.
happytoexplain 11 hours ago|||
That's a fallacy. This community is rational. Feelings are exactly as rational as ideas. You can use feelings to express irrationality - but as humans, we are 100% composed of feelings. Every rational thought we have is rooted in feelings. It's completely valid and interesting to talk about the feelings of some technology's impact, especially regarding visual art.
binary132 10 hours ago|||
The fact (not feeling) is that most people feel a certain way about AI slop.
Kapura 11 hours ago||||
If people think a piece of art is AI, the impression is that you didn't spend any amount of time or effort on creating it (even if you did, which, hilarious if true. you could have been making real art). Further, the vocal anti-AI art people who view it as a product created by grinding down billions of person-hours of experience and work into a sort of uniform slurry which is then fed back to them. They do not appreciate this meal.
soerxpso 10 hours ago||
Half of his recommendations for alternatives take less time to make. You (and the author) are making assumptions about what "people in general" think without any data to back it up. What you've experienced anecdotally in your social circle doesn't necessarily apply everywhere.
emccue 11 hours ago||||
I mean, there is rational justification for why people feel the way they do.

It turns into a long tirade about how AI has made the median person's life worse and how they associate generated images with that. It could also be a short tirade.

But the point is more that it is that way, its not important (for the purposes of choosing whether to use AI art in a thing you distribute) _why_ people feel this way though, just that they do.

zapataband1 10 hours ago|||
people can like bad art dude, you do you (it's still bad)
JKCalhoun 9 hours ago||
I can draw. But since I didn't keep at it for decades now, I am, at best, at the same level as I was when I was in my twenties. It sucks but I suppose computers came along and stole away all my leisure (and later professional) time. My choice. (I regret it often though.)

So, while I could do incidental art for a project I am working on, AI is going to do better than I could. (I have uploaded sketches of mine though and had it improve it. Is that still shit of me?)

I once paid an artist friend $1K (or was it $2K?) to do a set of playing cards for an iPad game I was working on. It was during the Great Race-to-the-bottom era of iOS apps such that $0.99 or $1.99 was all I was probably going to be able to ask for it.

Did I make back the $1K? Why, not at all. I think I made maybe $100 or something like that. (Never mind the unpaid time I invested in writing the app.)

Retired now, poorer, but still wasting my money on projects that will cost me, and ultimately make me nothing in return.

I guess I don't feel ashamed leaning on AI to give me something to put in the corner of the PCB I am about to order from JLCPCB. (The PCB that, after a number of iterations, I will have spent hundreds of dollars on and will never see a return when it goes "to market".)

fragmede 9 hours ago||
Reframe it. Don't look at it as a business failure. You wanted something to exist, and were willing to pay $x to make that happen. Hobbies don't have to generate income. It would be nice, but does it have to? If I pay $x,000 to go on a ski trip, I don't expect it to generate income for me somehow, so why should making PCBs or iOS apps be any different?
JKCalhoun 16 minutes ago||
I understand your point, and, to be sure, it is just a hobby to me at this point—and I have no expectation of a hobby "making a profit". (To be sure iOS apps were a different story).

Paying artists though makes this hobby an even more expensive one. And as I am not making any money, it's not like I am robbing anyone… (Another way to look at it perhaps?)

mcphage 9 hours ago||
> AI is going to do better than I could

I don't know about that. Lots of people use AI to write text for them, saying "AI makes it sound better"—but the truth is, it doesn't make it sound better. It makes it sound a lot worse, and pisses off the people you want to read it. So does AI draw better than you could? Well, if you did the drawing, would it make your customer base hate it? Because AI art probably will. I don't know if that's "better".

ch_fr 2 hours ago||
Good article, I think most hero images are pointless in the first place, so having them diffusion-generated now feels like a signal to just not read the piece. It goes from "look at this irrelevant image" to "look at this irrelevant image, and I have bad taste by the way!"

I'm reading "people don't care so it doesn't matter" in the replies, in that case can we agree to just drop all unneeded illustrations altogether when it comes to technical articles?

enthdegree 11 hours ago||
People with low social literacy need to hear more that they have low social literacy. Bad behavior is objectively bad, and just because some people have exuses doesn't make their behavior less bad.
Kapura 11 hours ago|
We need to be OK with shaming people we see as doing anti-social behaviours.
periodjet 11 hours ago||
This trend of “everybody hates AI!” articles from bluesky people is becoming really tiresome. Every week it’s a new variant on that theme, and never substantiated. Major yawn.
emccue 11 hours ago||
Yeah so, tech people tend to be in a bubble with regards to AI perception. I implore you to just ask around outside of your immediate sphere. Bring it up, let them talk.
periodjet 10 hours ago||
Awful lot of assumptions being made about me. Maybe you should stick to writing incredibly compelling articles instead.

But maybe I’m just one of those people with “minor cases of major brain damage”.

emccue 10 hours ago||
I think I compelled a lot of emotions with a relatively short one here. (Not that I'm one to defend myself generally; this was just something I felt like I was taking crazy pills on because how can folks not see it?)

> But maybe I’m just one of those people with “minor cases of major brain damage”.

Hey, you said it not me

operatingthetan 11 hours ago|||
I talk to a lot of people not in tech and the divide is clear: they hate AI, they hate AI art, and they hate AI companies. They seem to hate it all less if they are unsure if it's AI, but that's a different discussion.
xnx 7 hours ago||
The seems in contradiction with AI content on Instagram and Facebook that get a disturbing amount of likes from real people.
operatingthetan 6 hours ago||
>real people.

Are you sure?

xnx 4 hours ago||
Yes. I have relatives who are constantly forwarding me "funny" AI videos. This is happening all across the US and probably the world.
happytoexplain 10 hours ago|||
I'm sorry - you are in a bubble. Humans, on average, hate the idea of genAI art, specifically.
periodjet 10 hours ago||
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happytoexplain 10 hours ago|||
Please consider not writing in the "internet argument" style on HN. I am not categorizing anybody here as "not human" (I'm not sure where you're getting that) - I am describing humans using averages.
bdangubic 10 hours ago|||
the post was not written by human :) “humans, on average…” lol

(hallucinated) ai hard at work

happytoexplain 10 hours ago||
Is that an AI tell? I'm only familiar with em dashes and "it's not X, it's Y." I promise I'm a human being.
bdangubic 2 hours ago||
sorry mate, I was just joking :)))

I would back that claim though with some citation cause like in my “circle” (personal and professional) nothing but big fans of AI art

zapataband1 10 hours ago||
lol bluesky people? as opposed to what? the white supremacists bots on x.com?
yongjik 10 hours ago||
(Disclaimer: I'm working on AI related stuff, so I'm not exactly impartial.)

Not saying AI is blameless, but I'm seeing a trend where the problem is clearly more about social media and how it enables every one of us to live in our own algorithmically fed bubble. Like, look at this:

> If your initial reaction to reading that and seeing [an AI image] is some variation of "ughhh" or rolling your eyes or "fuck this guy" congrats. You are normal.

> If it wasn't I cannot stress to you enough that you are an outlier. Whenever you pick key art for a presentation or blog, your business, or whatever - if you use AI art you give a clear signal that you have low social literacy. You immediately associate yourself with a huge bundle of negative emotions because people, largely, hate this shit.

See how confident the author is that their own view is the normal, socially acceptable one, and they "cannot stress enough" that any other view is a social outlier. This has all the same "If you don't care about what's happening in Gaza you're not normal and nobody likes you" energy, except at least people are actually dying in Gaza.

And of course it should make perfect sense for the author because, unironically, everywhere they go online they will see people talking and thinking like that! Largely thanks to those profit-driven corporations and their massive data centers.

I don't know what's the solution but this can't go on forever ...

tasuki 9 hours ago|
Very low quality article. Makes a lot of unsubstantiated (though probably true) claims. Spends unnecessarily many words shitting on AI generated images and the people who prompt them.
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