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Posted by 3dedb728-3f77 14 hours ago

People Hate AI Art(mccue.dev)
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t0bia_s 10 hours ago|
By definition, there is no such thing as AI art or generative art. All I can se in article are images.

Maybe we should focus more on how to use correct terms of why our language is changing?

thevinter 6 hours ago|
By what definition? While I would say that arguing by definition is pretty pointless, here's one from Cambridge Dictionary:

> art (noun) - the making of objects, images, music, etc. that are beautiful or that express feelings

Gatekeeping the definition by excluding certain tools from being used in the creative process feels very silly to me.

dr_girlfriend 12 hours ago||
it's creepy and soulless and evil and lacks any artistic value and trained on data stolen from real artists while simultaneously devaluing our work, of course we hate it.
dd8601fn 10 hours ago|
I’m a little surprised that people think drawing is the noble, highly protected pursuit to be done by humans only, and violating that notion is a social crime.

But everyone else’s craft? Fuck them. Those are obviously fair game.

dr_girlfriend 8 hours ago||
i think other animals can create art too if they really want to, but most animals choose not to.
tolerance 11 hours ago||
This is exactly how I feel about people who participate in human behaviors that I do not like and find distasteful. Except a lot of people find my voicing of these things distasteful in return.

Lo, I'll have to wait until the tides of public opinion stream to my advantage. Or find my own proxies to voice my disdain.

I'm more than just a rabble-rouser.

meander_water 12 hours ago||
I think one of the reasons for sloppy images is that non-artistic people don't have the vocabulary to describe images to be produced in interesting styles.

Yes, you can do image-> text on existing styles, but something always gets lost in translation.

Midjourney probably has the best baseline, and --sref is a really easy way to differentiate

roenxi 12 hours ago||
More even, something AI is quite bad at is combining different imaginative elements.

Compare the AI dinosaur in the article to the commissioned dinosaur. The commission has a vibe created by the eye expression and the glasses. I'd maybe call it chill. The thumb-up is present but it isn't leading the vibe, we might infer that it is something the dino is doing because he is chill. The gesture is only a tiny part of the image, almost an afterthought.

In the original AI image the dinosaur has its thumb up and seems to be really happy. Big smile, relaxed face. Thumb looms large in the foreground. That would be totally normal for this sort of prompt, I don't expect the AIs to have a lot of thoughtful variety on body language.

So what is interesting is getting the AI to generate the commission image - one where the thumb-up looks like a natural consequence of a broader scene - is actually quite hard. The prompter needs to think about all those details of what the character of the dinosaur is and such that make the gesture natural. It might be too hard to one-shot prompt. Image generators don't do that the last time I checked, they just provide what is asked for. Human artists (especially the good ones) will identify that as boring and start adding flourishes to keep people's interest.

People end up hoist on their own petard. "A T-Rex giving a thumbs up" isn't an interesting idea and a good human artist will - instead of following an instruction - give people what they asked for and slip some actually interesting elements in, which usually comes back to more body language and facial expression that is hard to describe.

meander_water 11 hours ago|||
Agree. All of the major AI model labs have designed their user interfaces in entirely the wrong way.

Prompting via text alone is a really bad way to generate images. Ideally you want Canny Control to draw an outline of the image with elements in the exact locations where you want them. It's why comfyui is so great.

The ability to edit images and specify regions in the image for the prompt is a step in the right directions though. ChatGPT and Gemini have this.

emccue 12 hours ago|||
(do give the artist more commissions. They need to eat and are on my shortlist for stuff like this. Here's a sexy Jar-Jar Binks/Garfield hybrid they made https://bsky.app/profile/dsoart.com/post/3ml2f4aqsf22t)
tokioyoyo 12 hours ago||
Sure, but let me flip the question - how would the user react if they knew the said prompt-crafted image is AI generated? Industry will need to do better to sell it to the young generation, which is usually the tastemaker for the future. It is considered "low class" to use AI-generated images. If the game is "conceal that it was AI-generated", then... lol.
emccue 12 hours ago||
Yeah people seem to think that the issue is that the output isn't "high quality enough," which is a super strange misconception about the role of art even in a commercial setting. Like if it just gets "good" in some mechanical way that people will start to like it.
photonair 12 hours ago||
It's inevitable that AI Art will be used everywhere and haters will get desensitized due to over exposure. There is a right time and place to use real artwork vs ai art as long as someone doesn't try to claim ai art as real.
tardedmeme 12 hours ago||
This is a good prediction that is likely to come true. Almost everything else is already slop and we're desensitized to it. Almost all products in stores, almost all websites, almost all apps, almost all video games are slop. We still recognize the good ones that aren't slop but we're accustomed to most things being slop, we don't get angry at those things, we buy enough of them for them to make a higher ROI than the good things.
emccue 12 hours ago||
"Its the year 2076. I can finally post my AI generated art without people being mad at me. Its a paradise."
etaioinshrdlu 12 hours ago||
It's a fascinating article and trend to me. I've been rather obsessed with the amazing technology of text-to-image generation since 2017, when state of the art was an LSTM+GAN and resulted in a blurry image. Now that the technology basically works great, it's just upsetting to a lot of people. I kind of think of AI like making things out of plastic - works pretty well, but basically always resented. Notice that the article couldn't identify anything wrong with the generated image except for how it was made and how no one got paid.
Lalabadie 12 hours ago||
The point of the article is to state that if one needs an explanation or a breakdown of why the AI-generated image is upsetting, then that person might not be a good judge of the qualities and impact of an image in the first place.

That's not to say that this same person isn't the perfect target and consumer, as far as OpenAI is concerned.

NDlurker 12 hours ago|||
AI images had a cool aesthetic and had kind of unpredictable results until around 2022 or 23. Now that anything can be generated quickly and with little effort, it kind of lost the novelty. I'm sure there are people doing some cool things still, but I mostly lost interest.
zapataband1 11 hours ago|||
I mean isn't it like the uncanny valley? it's sort of like "the real thing" aka human created artworks that we traditionally love and connect with, but just far enough that it gives us even more disgust that something completely not human created(like an inanimate object) would.
budududuroiu 12 hours ago||
I personally find AI art both visually pleasing at an unconscious level and vapid at the same time
raincole 12 hours ago||
It'd be so funny if the first three examples are AI-generated too.

(Not accusing that they are)

Recently Blender removed Anthropic from the sponsors while taking Nvidia and Google's money. This is the epitome of the nature of the anti-AI trend: If you just don't make it obvious nobody cares.

kiba 12 hours ago||
How do you know if an artist drew it for you versus an AI? I think social proof and long term observation of artists help.

Approps of nothing, I think art is worth your while to make an investment of effort. I found Drink and Draw and made acquaintance of another maker from a local makerspace(not mine) and an artist. I wasn't technically adept but I want space to learn how to draw and they treated beginner(or at lease those three) with good vibes even though I was a clear beginner.

opengrass 5 hours ago||
Especially Indians!
emccue 2 hours ago|
I am genuinely curious what you mean by this. I mean it sounds obvious you are saying that Indians hate AI art, i'm just curious why that group specifically?

(I don't have my finger on the pulse of that nation, i'm afraid)

nunez 7 hours ago|
What I especially hate are slides of diagrams that could have been made with Draw.io or Excalidraw but were made with Nano Banana instead. They ALWAYS look jank. Better than late last year, but still very jank.
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