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Posted by bane 2 days ago

Getting arrested in Japan(sundaicity.com)
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commandersaki 2 days ago|
Something as small as getting into a heated argument in public, accidentally taking an item you didn’t pay for, overstaying a visa, or even grabbing someone else’s umbrella or bike thinking it was yours can escalate further than you could imagine and have you arrested before you’ve even had a chance to explain.

Is this actually true or just fearmongering? I mean really, no chance to explain? Sounds as dumb as being forced into a psychiatric ward for wearing a pink shirt.

iamnothere 1 day ago||
> grabbing someone else’s umbrella

Absolutely hilarious if you have any knowledge of Japan. Your umbrella is the one thing that is absolutely not safe if you leave it unattended. Japanese will joke about this.

This really calls the whole article into question.

Klonoar 1 day ago|||
The article is vastly overstating some of that stuff. I used to live there.

It’s also amusing to me that anything Japan related winds up on the front page of HN, but a similar article for a different country would probably go un-voted.

csa 1 day ago||
> Is this actually true or just fearmongering?

Mostly fear mongering or law breaking that is commonly punished throughout the world.

In order:

- nonsense, unless heated argument includes assault or disturbing the peace

- stealing… yes, it’s a crime. Usually handled with an apology and repayment if charges are brought. Completely overlooked if it was an actual one-off accident.

- overstaying visa - also a crime. Self-reporting to an immigration office will usually lead to a light punishment of “return home and 1-year re-entry ban”. People who live in Japan on tourist visas and do short visa runs are scrutinized carefully.

- grabbing umbrella or bike - fear mongering. This happens all the time. If it comes to a head, just apologize. I will say that there is a bit of an art to umbrellas and bikes — either embrace the musical chairs, or take actions such that it is less likely to happen to you.

g-b-r 1 day ago||
I mostly love Japan, but this is it, I can't risk something like this.

The conviction rate was already terrifying, but this probably nails the coffin.

And this in a country where the yakuza is a sanctioned part of the society?

Rendello 1 day ago|
The Yakuza seems to have a similar story as the American Mafia. Both have long histories, are favourite subjects of films and media, and both had a decline that sharpened in the 90s. A large part of that has been increasingly tight anti-Yakuza laws and ordinances. The whole "Law enforcement and indirect enforcement" section on Wikipedia is an interesting read, I linked part of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#Current_situation

I do agree with the justice/prison system being incredibly scary, though!

wizzwizz4 2 days ago||
The picture in section "THE CELL" does not match the description.
tokkkie 1 day ago||
stealing or overstaying visa is crime everywhere. why surprised about arrest? other countries ignore this?

from japan.

zbentley 1 day ago||
The surprise isn't about the arrest. The surprise is about the extremely harsh conditions people are placed in after being arrested--without any proportionality of what they were arrested for, before it is known whether or not they are guilty of the crime that was accused.
hparadiz 1 day ago||
Rule 34 of internet conversations about justice is that someone will always say "just obey the law" even if the law is the death penalty for walking on the grass.
iamnothere 1 day ago|||
Far too many HN “Japan understanders” receive all their opinions about Japan from US activists who get paid to write hate pieces about Japanese culture.

Just look at this thread. Yakuza? Taking umbrellas = go to jail? These people are morons. Worse, they think they are informed.

Maybe the BoJ didn’t burn enough money on US bonds this week or something. I can never understand the timing of these things or who is funding them.

simianparrot 1 day ago||
China would be a good guess.
bobsmooth 1 day ago||
Torturing prisoners not even convicted of a crime is something we don't do in America.
kstenerud 1 day ago||
Well, not as official policy anyway.
sershe 1 day ago||
I dunno, I think maybe that is a big part of why these countries are so safe? It is a form of meritocratic classism if you will. You are expected to be a certain kind of (law-abiding among other things) person. If you behave like you might not be the kind of person you get an implicit "social credit" downgrade and are treated like crap end to end. Sure, they might be "overreacting" all things considered, but in the US on the other hand there are examples of clearly dangerous people being catch and released because rights and dignity, until they actually murdered someone. There's a tradeoff, but the Japanese approach appears to be closer to the optimal point.
OutOfHere 2 days ago||
Wear a body camera while in public, one that is always recording. It won't save you from absurd prescription drug charges though.
perching_aix 1 day ago|
Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance

For those somehow actually considering this: make sure to check local laws, might be super illegal or at least inadmissible, (im)morality nonwithstanding. Although just because it's illegal, inadmissible, or immoral, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it of course.

Also maybe don't use the Meta glasses for this, even if you do decide to go for it. Not so sous anymore if you do.

rfwhyte 1 day ago||
When I lived in Japan, one of my roommates was a brown American dude of Dominican ancestry. He, like me, was a clean cut, hard working international student attending a well regarded local university. We had for many months on our daily commutes to and from our school seen an abandoned bike sitting in the bottom of a canal / ditch, and we only had 5 bikes between the 7 of us living in the house, so after many months of seeing this discarded, unused bike rotting in a ditch, we decided to rescue it and fix it up so we could use it. A couple of days later, my roommate was riding the bike while Brown in Japan, and a couple of local cops took issue with this I guess, so he was arrested for "Possession of stolen property." He tried to explain at the time that he'd found it in a ditch, but they weren't having any of it and it ended up with all 7 of us who lived in the house getting hauled down to the local police station in handcuffs and questioned for an entire 24 hours all over a junk bike. We were only ever released when someone from our university got involved, and the cops managed to track down the owner of the bike who told them they'd thrown it in the canal because it was broken. The person who chucked their bike into a canal of course faced no consequences whatsoever, but me and my 6 housemates had to endure one of the most harrowing experiences of our lives all because we fished a rotting bike out a ditch and fixed it up.

After that experience there is nothing anyone can say to convince me the Japanese "Justice" system is anything other than utterly barbaric.

dnnddidiej 2 days ago||
Tl;dr: you are in effectively the hole (but stricter) for anything between 1 day and months, without charges. It is torture. As in actual torture.

Fact check... anyone can confirm this treatment is standard in Japan?

aloisklink 1 day ago||
You can try looking at this manga posted by a Japanese person that was detained for marijuana possession https://xcancel.com/kime_neko/status/1634511023167381504. It's in Japanese, but you can use a machine translator and/or look at the drawings.

The facilities and food look slightly better (maybe because it's a detention centre in Tokyo), but it mostly matches. Although the mangaka seemed to have a much more positive outlook on it, probably because they could read all the Japanese books they wanted and speak to their cellmates in Japanese.

jesterson 1 day ago||
Pretty standard.
ushimitsudoki 1 day ago||
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tardedmeme 2 days ago|
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Onavo 2 days ago||
They are hardly an exception in that region, it's always been that way.
dakolli 2 days ago||
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dang 2 days ago|||
Nationalistic flamebait is not allowed here, regardless of which country you have a problem with, so please don't post like this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

burgerone 2 days ago|||
We're just going to call more and more things faschist until the word has lost all its meaning
gruez 2 days ago|||
At this point it's just a synonym for "type of authoritarianism I don't like".
tardedmeme 1 day ago|||
What would non-fascist authoritarianism be?
dakolli 2 days ago|||
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Avicebron 2 days ago|||
Wanting to feel safe walking around the city because you know the homeless aren't going to attack you or otherwise be psychotic at you is evil?
g-b-r 2 days ago||
To be clear, you support authoritarianism, because of that?
Avicebron 1 day ago||
absolutely not. You are proving the point of this whole thread.
g-b-r 1 day ago||
care to explain?
tekla 2 days ago||||
It's already lost all meaning.
wetpaws 2 days ago||||
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dakolli 2 days ago|||
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