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Posted by arkadiyt 22 hours ago

Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid(arkadiyt.com)
963 points | 504 commentspage 5
ro_bit 20 hours ago|
> Everything that relies on a data connection will no longer work. This includes things like over-the-air updates as well as Toyota cloud-based services and SOS functionality

I hate how this is a trade off. It’s totally possible for cars to broadcast their location only if the SOS is pressed or the crash sensor is triggered, but it feels like there’s no way to have that without also having everything else.

JoheyDev888 12 hours ago||
You buy a $40k car and it's still monetizing you. The hardware is just the entry fee. The real product is everything you do inside it.
alxjsn 20 hours ago||
Another method is to disconnect the antenna and add a resistor so it acts as a dummy load. Here is an example with a Tacoma: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/simpler-solution-for-dis...
pryelluw 12 hours ago|
This is what I thought about doing instead. Removing the whole module seems overkill. Removing the signal should be enough to disable it.
IFC_LLC 14 hours ago||
I bet in a couple of years you'll have to go straight to the dealership to fix your car, because it won't start.

On the other hand, as mentioned by others: Why bother if you use CarPlay?

rbbydotdev 19 hours ago||
> Strong Federal privacy laws would make posts like this unnecessary, that’s the world I’d rather live in.

Amen.

freshnode 19 hours ago||
Writes long article about the concerns of software phoning home

Peppers article with Amazon affiliate links

Perfect summation of 2026

chromadon 21 hours ago||
I wonder if insurance would refuse to pay out in the event of an accident due to this modification?
parliament32 17 hours ago|
They would have to prove the modification caused the accident.
HDBaseT 15 hours ago||
No they don't.

They can deny any claim for any reason, the onus gets flipped on you because if you want to fight back, you have to take a multi-billion dollar company to court .

DarkmSparks 16 hours ago||
I'm still just refusing to buy this garbage in the first place.

All these car manufacturers pushing this horrorshow deserve to go under. Tbh it looks like most will soon....

HDBaseT 16 hours ago||
All the Chinese car manufactures are doing the same, they aren't likely to go under soon.
hoppyhoppy2 15 hours ago||
Which car manufacturers are not pushing this garbage?
chzblck 21 hours ago||
I cannot imagine the paranoia that it would take for me to go through this process.
EvanAnderson 20 hours ago||
I cannot imagine the lack of concern about my privacy that it would take to make me daily-drive a car that hadn't been put through this process.

(I dread the day my 2007 Civic is no longer usable.)

b112 20 hours ago|||
Not to mention, people kept saying "Who cares, you're being silly" then multiple companies were caught selling into to insurance companies.
s3p 7 hours ago||
This is why I hate the online car owner forums. Car owners ask reasonable questions like these and people sneer in their replies saying "that's a horrible idea" as if somehow every car owner agreed to universal tracking into telemetry and is totally fine with it.
ErroneousBosh 18 hours ago|||
My daily is a 1997 Range Rover. You want to update the computer? Sure, you need to remove the desktop PC-sized box of 68HC11-family chips from under the driver's seat and desolder the two big 144-pin ones.
merpkz 5 hours ago|||
I honestly can't either. A lot of people drive around with navigation set on their phones which also track every movement and knows your exact location and travel speed, might even know how aggressive you drive based on accelerometer data and all that info can be uploaded from navigation app like Waze which is very popular
Affric 16 hours ago|||
Get a determined ex-partner who knows a lot about you and wants to harm you or kidnap your children. For most people this represents the greatest immediate risk with this kind of data.
merpkz 5 hours ago|||
How will they get access to this data? Hax into Toyota to track this one specific Rav4?
cindyllm 16 hours ago|||
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tclancy 18 hours ago||
Step 1. Be very, very single

When I was a younger man, audio visual forums used to have an unfortunately sexist, but fairly good conceptual measure they called “wife acceptance factor”. It should really just be partner acceptance factor. Regardless of whom you are with, I hope they would physically intervene before letting you do this. What is the point? All of these posts feel like they miss the forest for the trees. Don’t like This Modern World? Fair enough, start by leaving your phone at home. Pay cash. And so forth. The author’s problems would be better solved by taking the bus. If you’re going to get into messing with cars, the wiring harness is not the place to start. Every trip to the dealer or any other mechanic is going to be painful right up until you finally give up and try to private sale the vehicle. At some point in that process, after you have dropped the price by over half the Kelley Blue Book value (or whatever Palantir shit replaces that) you may actually hear yourself explaining to the pleasantly smiling with a certain look in their eye non buyer about how you had to do this.

I will admit my bias. Fair play to the author for putting this all together but it reads like a very intricate aluminum foil hat.

parliament32 17 hours ago|||
Counterpoints:

1) My auto insurance is already too expensive. I have zero interest in "oh yeah we had to add to your driver factor because telematics says you exceeded the speed limit 11 times last year :^)". Less tracking is just a bonus.

2) He made no irreversible changes to the vehicle. Just keep the part and plug it back in when you need it for service/inspection or whatever.

3) "Telematics disabled" probably adds to the resale value of the car.

s3p 7 hours ago||||
So the authors goal is to reduce his car's ability to transmit his data to Toyota.

His solution: disconnect the cell modem

Your solution: Be single, never drive a car ever, and leave your phone at home.

?????

throwway120385 17 hours ago|||
What are you talking about? People sell used cars with broken stuff all the time. You don't have to tell the buyer that you intentionally broke that feature. The mechanics that I use would all consider this modification entirely reasonable and not say anything about it after you explained yourself.

Also my spouse is just as paranoid as this guy is and when I told her what new vehicles collect she was happy she had an older model car. So this is not really a thing.

everdrive 20 hours ago|
Also worth noting that as recently as 2024, the S and SV models for Nissan did not have telematics whatsoever. This may still be true for the 2025 / 2026 models, I just haven't checked.
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