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Posted by arkadiyt 23 hours ago

Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid(arkadiyt.com)
976 points | 514 commentspage 6
everdrive 21 hours ago|
Also worth noting that as recently as 2024, the S and SV models for Nissan did not have telematics whatsoever. This may still be true for the 2025 / 2026 models, I just haven't checked.
omgJustTest 16 hours ago||
Could one cover the antenna with strategic foil?

Removing seems hard/complicated but foil seems within most ppls reach.

mchusma 21 hours ago||
I get this desire and commend the author, but I just want self driving cars and so I think we are just stuck with this.
dylan604 21 hours ago||
That's a hell of a defeatist attitude, and exactly the result they are hoping for.
ErroneousBosh 19 hours ago|||
What's the advantage in having a self-driving car?
xyzelement 17 hours ago||
It drives itself.
ErroneousBosh 2 hours ago||
Okay, and why is that supposed to be good?
antonvs 21 hours ago||
Why is a self-driving car so important to you? Is it really worth giving up your privacy, and advocating that others should give up theirs, just for some shortcoming in your own capabilities?
addaon 19 hours ago|||
> just for some shortcoming in your own capabilities?

It's a shortcoming each of us will have, if we're so lucky as to live that long.

fc417fc802 20 hours ago||||
Why should a self driving car need a network connection? It's an absurd false dichotomy. Certainly that's what will be produced if the manufacturers are allowed to get away with it but that's not a technical problem it's a social and legal one.
s3p 8 hours ago||
This wasn't @fc417fc802's dichotomy, it was the person above them who posted. They were responding to another comment which assumed this
Sohcahtoa82 18 hours ago|||
For some, driving is an absolute chore. A mind-numbingly boring task.
antonvs 14 hours ago||
They sound “special”.
swader999 22 hours ago||
If you get into enough trouble they'll get all your phone data and cell tower pings or your passenger's.
btbuildem 20 hours ago||
There's a fortune to be made for whomever produces a car that has minimal features, and and electric-drivetrain with onboard gasoline generator. No screens, knobs and buttons, no assists. Extra fortune if you can licence designs and revive some of the old-and-loved classics with new safety features.
mdasen 19 hours ago||
> electric-drivetrain with onboard gasoline generator

Generally speaking, it's more efficient to power a car using a series-parallel hybrid system than an electric drivetrain with generator (series hybrid) while not really being any more complicated.

In a series hybrid (electric with generator), you're losing energy converting the rotational energy into electric energy. It's better to use the engine's output to power the wheels while it's in an efficient range. It's why Toyota's series-parallel hybrid design offered better mileage than vehicles that (primarily or fully) operated as series hybrids like the Chevy Volt.

> No screens

You can't really sell a car without a screen due to government regulations which require backup cameras (since 2018 in North America, since 2022 in the EU and Japan).

> no assists

Automatic Emergency Braking is going to be required in the US in 2029 (detecting frontal crashes about to happen and automatically braking, including pedestrian detection).

The EU requires even more including blind spot detection and lane-keeping assist.

I certainly agree that cars need knobs and buttons for controls like AC/heat, music, etc. However, it'd be hard to make a car where you aren't putting in a screen and assistive technology. I think a better argument would be to make a car where the screen was simply Apple CarPlay/Android Auto and a backup camera - rather than shoving a lot of garbage UX into it.

ErroneousBosh 19 hours ago||
> Automatic Emergency Braking is going to be required in the US in 2029 (detecting frontal crashes about to happen and automatically braking, including pedestrian detection).

I'm never going to want to drive a car that has that.

bdamm 15 hours ago|||
My car has AEB and it's great. I'll never drive another car without it. Why not take the energy out of the impact? Humans aren't perfect, and even less so as we age.
ErroneousBosh 2 hours ago||
What impact?

Why do you think it's great?

advisedwang 18 hours ago||||
Why? You presumably don't enjoy get into frontal crashes, are you worried about it doing false positives? Is that a significant issue?
ErroneousBosh 2 hours ago||
Because I don't want anything in the vehicle apart from me deciding when I should brake.
ssl-3 18 hours ago|||
I guess you know your cutoff date, then. My own perspective differs.

A couple of years ago, I was involved in a stupid car crash that probably would have been prevented by this kind of system. Everyone was pretty much OK (yay), but both vehicles were ruined. And for me, at least, it was a complete and utter pain in the ass to find something else to drive that fit my intended use.

0/10. Would rather be annoyed by false positives.

merpkz 6 hours ago|||
There is no way that is true, basic cars have always existed, like Dacia with bare minimum features to pass all requirements and they are far from being popular. The fact of the matter is, is that people just like fancy things and cars especially
SoftTalker 27 minutes ago||
The vast majority of car buyers know nothing more than "right pedal to go, left pedal to stop, turn wheel to steer"

They never read the owner's manual, they never touch the options menus, they never even check the oil or tire pressure.

They certainly are not going to mess with fuses or disabling anything.

Mathnerd314 20 hours ago|||
It is probably like with smart TV's where the value of the telemetry data ends up subsidizing a significant fraction of the hardware. Car manufacturers seem to be doing a lot of experiments with what they can charge for in terms of ongoing subscriptions. I am sure if they could show ads without it being considered distracting they would.
bobro 20 hours ago|||
I think the problem is there isn't a fortune there. It would be a successful endeavor, but not something to rake in huge piles of cash. The kinds of leaders and investors who could pull off what you're describing are instead working where they can make multi-millions rather that multi-hundreds of thousands.
bdamm 20 hours ago|||
Well, Bollinger Motors tried just that, but they couldn't make it fly.

However, you now have a chance to buy one of the rare prototypes!

https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/bollin...

hoppyhoppy2 16 hours ago||
A screen for the back-up camera is federally required for new cars in the US, afaik. But using the screen for additional purposes is still optional... for now...
RachelF 17 hours ago||
Why not just remove the antenna or SIM card from the modem?
HDBaseT 17 hours ago||
Cars are now using eSIMs. Cutting an antenna wire only limits the effectiveness of the communication. You can wirelessly send and receive data with a solder terminal on a board if you're dedicated enough.
ThinkingGuy 15 hours ago||
I wonder if removing the antenna would possibly cause the modem to try to transmit at a higher power level, thus running the car's battery down.
fuzzygaz 13 hours ago||
Be careful as there has been precedence of insurance companies using the fact cameras were removed/disabled to deny or reduce claims.
s3p 8 hours ago|
Yeah this would be different. Also let me tell you my approach so I disconnected my car's data connectivity unit and all that does is forward the signal from the cell antennas down to the main head unit. So by disconnecting it my car doesn't actually know that it cell service has been turned off it literally just thinks there is no signal right now.
bee_rider 22 hours ago||
Who’s responsible for presenting the privacy policy to passengers of a car, anyway?
fnord77 22 hours ago|
Couldn't you just ground or resistor out the car's cellular antenna so it can't transmit data?
class3shock 16 hours ago|
There's a post earlier linking to someone doing that for a Tacoma
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