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Posted by kevinsimper 14 hours ago

Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier(qwen.ai)
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cft 8 hours ago|
Downloading this and cancelling Google Antigravity Pro at the same time:

I had a Google Pro account that I inherited from buying a Pixel 9 XL - it's free for a year after a flagship Pixel phone purchase. After a year they started charging for it, and i tolerated it, because Flash was usable in Antigravity for dumb auxiliary tasks that I did not want to waste GPT/Opus on. It had a separate generous quota from Gemini 3.1 Pro. Now with Flash 3.5 they combined the quotas with Pro, such that on a Google pro account you can work 4-5 hours per week in Flash. And by the way, 3.1 Pro is useless for programming, compared to Codex/Opus

bel8 7 hours ago|
same boat. Google Pro AI quota became barely useful for anything meaningful.

I think they envision Pro plan as "just a taste of AI, enough to lure folks into the Ultra plan" but that won't work for me when Codex is half the price and DeepSeek 4 Flash is 1/10 of their price per task.

So I'll downgrade just enough to keep my Google Drive space. And use DeepSeek 4 as workhorse plus Codex or Copilot for advanced stuff.

cft 6 hours ago||
How do you use DeepSeek 4 Flash? Via a cli?
bel8 6 hours ago||
I use their VSCode extension:

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=sst-dev....

It adds a button to VSCode to open a tab with opencode loaded. It's a bit better than just opening the CLI because it has some vscode integration.

With their $10/mo opencode go plan: https://opencode.ai/go

For my use it's about endless use of DS4 Flash on high setting. I find high better than max because it's less chatty.

The best thing is the speed. So many tokens per second.

edit: This is how it looks in action https://i.imgur.com/RNDXr07.png

georgefrowny 5 hours ago||
How is that extension compared to, say, DS4 via OpenRouter and the usual VSCode Copilot panel?
bel8 5 hours ago||
Good question.

I haven't tested openrouter but I expect it to be slightly less cheap because it charges per token and opencode Go plan is a $10/mo fixed price model. Economies of scale leads me to think that for heavy use, openrouter will be more costly since opencode Go can subside heavy users like me with money from light users (just like gyms do with people that pay but barely use it).

With that said, I find vscode native copilot chat more pleasant to use, but also more laggy for large sessions.

opencode configuration is less polished and you'll have to grok around for some things. For example opencode CTRL+p conflicts with VSCode CTRL+p. I changed opencode to use Ctrl+L instead.

joshjob42 8 hours ago||
I really like what Qwen are doing, and a lot of these Chinese labs, but until I can ask their models what happened during the student protests in 1989 or why human rights groups are upset about the Uighurs and the model gives me a straight answer I'm just not able to trust these models with anything of substance.
arcanemachiner 7 hours ago||
Just download a heretic abliterated versionof the model you want to use. I believe those are the current state of the art for uncensored models.
mynameisbilly 8 hours ago||
This is silly. Would you perform the same test against Western models in asking them whether Israel is a genocidal apartheid state? It'll give you the same roundabout explanations and "some say no some say yes" responses that you'll get from asking Qwen about Uighurs or the protests of 1989.
jaynetics 7 hours ago||
hey Qwen, how many civilians were killed on Tiananmen Square in 1989?

> Oops! There was an issue connecting to Qwen3.6-Plus.

> Content Security Warning: The input text data may contain inappropriate content.

hey ChatGPT, how many civilians were killed in Gaza in the war since 2023?

> [one page of estimates from local and international sources with links]

HDBaseT 1 hour ago||
Your account is now flagged and put on a watchlist.

Your ID has been passed to Israel and your internalized "threat" rating number increased 300 units. Every packet you produce on the internet is now earmarked for 100 year retention.

esafak 11 hours ago||
Does anyone have experience with the Alibaba Cloud Model Studio that serves these qwen models?
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