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Posted by cdrnsf 2 hours ago

Google Declaring War on the Web(tante.cc)
267 points | 151 commentspage 2
theendisney 1 hour ago|
Out of my countless www experiments the website made for myself turned out most enjoyable. Technically it is a blog with links, quotes, categories, tags and search. Sometimes i download all pages it links to. (tens of thousands)

Google dropped it from the index long ago. I had a fun discussion with some google folk where they kept arguing my website was designed wrong and that some pages had tomany links.

Basically, if you write an article about the largest banana companies you have to chose which to link to!

The 10 best movies article is better than the best 100. If you make a list of all the movies you've seen your page gradually turns into something really bad. Others will be punished for linking to it but only if you add the nth entry.

As the website is just for me it is clearly their loss not mine. No way im ging to consider linking a sub set of patents or research papers.

StilesCrisis 1 hour ago|
At one point the web was drowned in "listicles," low-effort sites made to match queries like "best movies from the 90s" or "new music in 2023". Google attempted to downrank these sorts of sites because they were in general very very low quality and were just designed to catch a lot of traffic and display ads alongside low-effort content. (Think one page per list entry, each page transition is a whole new set of ads.) Users disliked these. It sounds like your site was misclassified as a low-effort listicle site.
theendisney 1 hour ago||
Im sure it is really hard to run a search engine that size. I have ideas how they could improve but it isnt my job. They chose to populate results with big websites which probably is good enough for most users. The problem is that there is now no point creating websites which is terrible for google. If it picks up the domain and (against all ods) deems it worthy of traffic it can be blacklisted at any time.
coro_1 1 hour ago||
> De-googlifying your mental apparatus becomes more urgent today. Find other search engines, don’t use the Chrome browser. Or wake up in a slopified AOL kind of environment where your access to information is limited to what Google’s synthetic text extruders deem relevant.

Everything is probably re-traceable fairly easily because Google Analytics is on nearly every web page.

But I understand maintaining your own source of archives, videos, documents, etc.

Sounds like a good vibe coding project actually.. to try and keep it all organized offline.

hungryhobbit 1 hour ago||
To me it seems either ...

A) Google will do a good job of this, people will find their summaries more useful, and the web will evolve into a more closed system that better serves its users

or ...

B) They're gated AI community will suck, and people will start using a different search engine that better serves its users.

My money isn't on A), but they do have a lot of clout so I wouldn't rule it out.

vkou 1 hour ago|
A) has plenty of dystopian followups.
LocalH 1 hour ago||
Good thing they took "Do no evil" out of their manifesto years ago
nekzn 30 minutes ago||
Websites brought this on themselves. Have you tried visiting one? Popups upon popups upon ads upon cookie banners upon notification permission prompts. I’m not going to miss that. Nobody is going to miss that.

Think of AI distillation as some kind of improved Reader Mode feature.

People never wanted to visit your website; they just wanted the information that your website held. Now they can get to the meat without having to deal with the bones.

fantasizr 50 minutes ago||
Nearly every iteration of google's innovation has made the web worse. Websites chasing SEO with low quality garbage sites, to sites plagued with adsense digital ads & popovers, to now stealing from websites and selling that data. The web was more readable as a link ring on geocities
overgard 1 hour ago||
I guess the extra insult is that the summaries still suck. I feel like every time I google a technical question, I get something wrong which references a youtube video watched by 30 people about an unrelated subject.
spankalee 1 hour ago||
It is interesting to look at the past predictions on here of AI search/answer companies like Perplexity possibly dethroning Google search and comparing to the reactions of Google just doing the same thing themselves.

Why would it be good if Perplexity does it, but bad if Google does it? What are the principles at play here?

nicbou 1 hour ago||
Perplexity does not control who gets traffic on the internet. They don't own a significant percentage of the mobile OS, browse and online search market share. They can't force the industry in one way or the other, consequences be damned.
spankalee 15 minutes ago||
If Perplexity replaced Google as the way people searched for things, then they would, and sites would still take a hit to their traffic from Google losing users.
AlienRobot 1 hour ago||
People don't like Google because it's bad. If competition wins, maybe they'll stop being so bad. But if they become badder themselves, that's not good.
jppope 1 hour ago|
I'm confused how the strategy works in the long run. If fewer people are incentivized to build websites on novel topics, there will be less content in general and less training data... plus AI overview results see less ad conversions and therefor less ad revenue. Whats the long game? I get that the paradigm is changing but this seems like its not going to help them maintain their dominance.
kaoD 1 hour ago||
Ah, that's where you're wrong. There is no long term. Investors want results now. "Later" is for the greater fools.
tom_ 1 hour ago||
What if there is no long game? Just people at Google optimising for their current KPIs.
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