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Posted by lexandstuff 1 day ago

Shipping a laptop to a refugee camp in Uganda(notesbylex.com)
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prmoustache 9 hours ago|
Next time sell your laptop locally and order one on ugandan apple (or third party) store.
217 23 hours ago||
reading this article while listening to billie eilish made me feel something i've never felt before, what a blogpost
wolfi1 12 hours ago||
when it comes to shipping to another country ot always becomes unnecesseraliy complicated, agreed in that particular case it went to another level regarding battery and the recipient's status as refugee but if your parcel crosses borderlines you basically always have to deal with bureaucracy
sulam 23 hours ago||
Django has strong honey badger energy!
y-curious 19 hours ago||
It’s a great writeup, thank you. I wish there was a better way to send the laptop or source a new one. I wonder, how far does $400AUD go in Uganda? Is that like enough for him to bribe his way out of the refugee camp?
haritha-j 11 hours ago||
Django has a certain determination that will take him far in life. As do you OP. Kudos.
alexb87 8 hours ago||
Next time, just give him some money
cindyllm 7 hours ago|
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komali2 21 hours ago||
We have a couple co-op members in Uganda and their billing addresses are always distinct. Along the lines of "Behind the Gas Station, SomeCity, Uganda."

They're also extraordinarily good engineers so idk wtf is going on in Uganda. A lot of folks from there come work in Taiwan, I guess the pay and quality of life is better here.

winterrdog 15 hours ago||
> They're also extraordinarily good engineers so idk wtf is going on in Uganda.

Uganda has no respect for talent. When I was there it looked like most people are just trying to survive the next day, tbh. Because there is no platform to develop their talent. Also Uganda seems to be more focused on agriculture so it gets more incentives than other industries.

But you're right about the talented part, there are a lot of good engineers there but lack the opportunity. Remember meeting one who worked at Boeing in Missouri and he even had a few patents in the aerospace domain.

petesergeant 14 hours ago||
“Every real dwelling has a distinct address” is very much something you take for granted until you come across counter cases. My Dad had a real, modern, Western house in Kathmandu with no unique address in the early 2000s.
nephihaha 9 hours ago||
I can think of counter-examples in Europe. The old posties used to understand local addresses, now half of these parcel delivery firms either use Google slop for inaccurate returns or refuse to deliver them.
alexb87 8 hours ago||
Next time, just him some money
WatchdogReset 22 hours ago|
I have old electronics, including macbook that I would like to give is there a way or an assiociation to know how ?
NicuCalcea 21 hours ago||
I'd wager the most efficient way would be to sell your electronics and donate the proceeds to a local charity that does this at scale and knows its way around local needs and regulations.

When I was a kid in Moldova a couple of decades ago, we had a lot of Americans donating their old stuff (electronics, clothes, shoes, even furniture) thinking they're being super helpful. Just had a quick search and it seems to still be happening to a small degree. It's a nice sentiment and I'm sure it makes people feel like they're making a difference, but economically it makes no sense. The cost of processing and shipping second-hand items is probably not much lower than just giving people money to buy locally, and supporting local businesses while you're at it.

Sort of unrelated, but the funny thing was these donations were often distributed by American missionaries who were using them as a pretext to hand out bibles (or rather just the New Testament). In Moldova, which by some metrics is the most Christian country on the planet after the Vatican. And the bibles were usually in English, a language almost none of us spoke.

Not to say that's necessarily the case for Uganda, but if the OP blog is any indication, they could have bought several second hand laptops for what it cost to ship one.

WatchdogReset 6 minutes ago|||
Thank you for you insight - Probably best is to act locally and or use charity association to be more efficient for other countries. It is sad sometime some people use charity or assiociation to push things that makes the work of the good one even more difficult
codeforafrica 20 hours ago|||
The lowest price for a working second hand laptop in Uganda is about half a million ugandan shillings, which is about USD130. That gets you a 10 year old second hand model with minimum specs. If you want anything decent, expect to pay at least double. The difficulty of importing and the import taxes are at least part of the reason. In hindsight, sending the money would have saved a lot of trouble, but it would not have gotten him a better laptop than the one he received.

But otherwise you are right. Not only is it not economical, a lot of stuff that is sent to Africa is junk, and that's exactly the reason why Uganda generally does not allow importing of second hand products. On the other hand, i believe second hand imports are the only way to make laptops available at that price range. I don't know how that works though. Maybe they make exceptions for importers that they verify are not importing junk?

WatchdogReset 13 minutes ago||
Thank you for the answer - I think one the biggest trap is to bring more problem than solution. I am afraid that a some laptops or smartphone that I gave a second life will have almost no value on the second hand market. I will keep offering them locally on market place or charity shops
oceanhaiyang 22 hours ago||
You could also try your local schools as well. Many children have no access to one.
WatchdogReset 5 minutes ago||
I will, good idea !
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