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Posted by NoRagrets 7 hours ago

Private Equity Bought America's Essential Services(rubbishtalk.com)
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herf 6 hours ago|
Link to the Musharbash article that spurred the congressional investigation (2025):

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/did-a-private-equity-fire...

tadzikpk 4 hours ago|
which contains links to its claims and an author with a name, unlike the above article...
jjmerle 6 hours ago||
Interesting seeing a quote from Sen. Josh Hawley that I agree with...

Quote (from article) “This didn’t just happen to you accidentally. This is a business decision, isn’t it? You keep these backlogs like this. […] Another word for this would be a heist. This sounds to me like private equity came in; bought up all of these small companies; combined them; shut down their production; rolled up a huge backlog; massive profits; stiffed these guys; and now you’re making out like bandits.”

wmeredith 1 hour ago|
As a Missourian who is regular embarrassed by Senator Hawley, I must say that he brings the goods when he has the opportunity to grill an oligarch.
danielmarkbruce 3 hours ago||
PE isn't really the issue. Some things just shouldn't be run for profit - doesn't matter who the owner is.
elevation 5 hours ago||
Not all PE problems are existential; they will be outcompeted.

What keeps a newly graduated Veterinarian from opening her own clinic and undercutting the PE competition? With no massive loans on her books, she can profitably offer lower prices than PE can. She may even drive the local PE clinic out of business.

vjvjvjvjghv 4 hours ago||
First, opening a clinic requires some serious money. Then, if the new clinic gets traction, PE can make a very good offer for a buyout and the owner would have to be stupid or very stubborn to refuse. Most big companies these days just buy up competition. Good for the owners but bad for the customers.
the_sleaze_ 1 hour ago||
Another thing which I've seen personally is that in general getting from 0 to 1 required HEROIC effort to the point that it requires a personality type.

How many veterinarians got into the game to become relentless, driven, scrappy and indomitable business owners vs because they love furry things and helping?

mamonster 4 hours ago|||
> With no massive loans on her books, she can profitably offer lower prices than PE can

Depends entirely on fixed vs variable costs. Rollups (which are very common now) work mainly because most "mom and pop" businesses can easily be "unlocked" by pooling the treasury, HR, accounting, commercial banking, supplier negotiations etc.

ambicapter 5 hours ago|||
"Lower your prices to compete with massive sources of capital" Great idea.
burkaman 5 hours ago|||
How is a new graduate supposed to start a business without a loan?
Aunche 2 hours ago|||
People had no problem starting clinics in the past and they probably could today if they really wanted to, but there is little incentive to for the past few decades while the stock market has been booming. Why spend 80 hours a week struggling to run your own clinic and paying off loans when you can work 40 hours a week working for somebody else's clinic and invest your savings in the stock market?
charcircuit 1 hour ago||||
Find an investor.
elevation 5 hours ago|||
Could a veterinary business not be bootstrapped?

Assuming you had $$$ for some supplies but couldn't afford to lease a commercial building, you could provide small mammal services from your vehicle, driving to people's homes to give vaccinations and well care.

Being mobile would also allow you to serve a larger market than a fixed clinic; you could serve a couple small towns on Monday, a couple others on Tuesday, and server a larger metro on the weekends.

Once you're consistently profiting $$$$/day you'll be able to start saving for the equipment you'll need for a commercial lease somewhere because you have both the cash, cash flow, a loyal customer base, and critically, a good sense of where a good location would be to serve them from.

burkaman 4 hours ago|||
Sure, that sounds plausible. I'm not saying you need an enormous amount of money, but for this scenario you need supplies, car payments, gas, probably some kind of licensing fee, insurance, some kind of advertising, and a few months of rent and living expenses until you start making a profit. Maybe like $10,000, plus more as a safety net in case it doesn't work out and you need to find a job?

Even if they are lucky enough to have no debt, I don't think the average graduate has $10,000+ in the bank to spend. I have never started a business so I honestly have no idea how hard it is to get a small business loan for something like this, maybe it's easy, but even so it's certainly risky.

fzeroracer 1 hour ago||||
Do you know how much it costs to start a business, and how much the average well-off American has saved?
Sebguer 4 hours ago||||
this is a peak HN comment in terms of cluelessness about the realities of how the world works if you're an ordinary person.
srigbok157 1 hour ago|||
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rocketpastsix 5 hours ago|||
who are these grads graduating without massive loans hanging over their heads?
brendoelfrendo 5 hours ago|||
> With no massive loans on her books,

Except every newly-graduated veterinarian does have a massive loan on their books, in the form of student loans. And even if she didn't, where does the startup capital for her clinic come from? Whether in human or animal medicine, starting your own practice--especially as a new grad--is usually the course of action with the highest-risk-to-lowest-pay ratio.

DoneWithAllThat 5 hours ago||
Yet there is no evidence of this happening in any industry or area where PE has become the dominant player. Why not? What you’re saying is nice economic theory but it’s clearly not happening.
bombcar 3 hours ago||
Because the pain is bearable and not too much.

If it becomes too much, things actually happen.

(This is the dark side of financialization, as it can be used to maximize human misery.)

SoftTalker 4 hours ago||
"PE firms load acquired companies with debt, cut costs aggressively, then resell at a profit"

The last part never made sense to be. Where do they find willing buyers for these debt laden, hollowed out husks?

blindriver 3 hours ago|
That's where the scam is. They sell to their pension fund and mutual fund buddies, and in return when they get a really good deal, those funds will be first in line. It's a scratch-my-back-scratch-yours kind of deal that is utterly corrupt but no one seems to care because the losses are papered over by these huge funds.
b3lvedere 6 hours ago||
Oh no!

Who would have guessed that turning social human constructions into businesses that 'have to make profits' could result in such deaths!?

What on earth could be next?

Defining margins again and again until these businesses suddenly actually are totally compliant and suddenly there are even more deaths?

Oh how will we ever solve this strange behaviour!?

/s^s

itake 6 hours ago||
One thing I don't see is the other side of this story: the sellers.

I don't get why sellers are selling to PE. Can these services not "IPO"? Why do these companies need to sell?

When PE takes over medical practices, my understanding is there just isn't enough capital available for a dentist to "cash out". The options are either they find another dentist to buy it, the close the practice, or they sell the private equity...

skinfaxi 6 hours ago|||
How is local doctor's office going to IPO? An IPO is just selling to the public instead of a private buyer. Not to mention the amount of paperwork and ongoing reporting requirements of actually IPOing.

Talking to a single buyer is easier than arranging an IPO and I would imagine the diligence far less onerous.

itake 2 hours ago||
My point is, if not PE, how do people expect boomers to exit from their businesses?
tw04 6 hours ago||||
Out of the gate you need $27.5m in cash flow with $2.2m in profit. I doubt there are many single practice dentists doing that kind of volume.

You can’t just IPO because you want out of the business. There’s lots of reporting and regulatory requirements to ensure you aren’t screwing investors.

itake 2 hours ago|||
I don't get for the sellers, what is the alternative? It feels like their only choice is LBO PE deal.
_DeadFred_ 4 hours ago|||
In the past farmers needed COOPs in order to make their products/the local community's economy viable. Today we need something like COIVs (community owned investment vehicles). Kiva for the rest of us I guess.
itake 2 hours ago||
I'm trying to be generous here... but prisoner's dilemma says the people in a community are probably better to park their money outside of the community in order to protect (and grow) their retirement investments.

Yes, it would be better for the community if people chose to invest locally instead of the SnP 500, but running out of money in retirement is a very real fear and the SnP500 is much better/safer for most people than COIVs.

pizzafeelsright 4 hours ago||||
Successful business owner has revenue of $2-20MM with their owner's "salary" being $200k-4MM which is very respectable.

Owner gets old or want to quit the business and a PE offer of 2-8x Revenue comes in.

Owner making $200k instantly cashes that $4MM check and walks away.

PE takes contracts, guts all the expenses and cuts staff in half, and purchase price is recovered in <2 years.

Suddenly there is only one HVAC or dentist company that can maintain licenses and insurance.

lizardking 5 hours ago||||
Going the IPO route is not an option for most of the companies being acquired (vets, plumbers, electricians, construction companies, etc.)
itake 2 hours ago||
If not PE / LBO, what is the alternative?
balderdash 5 hours ago||||
why would you think a public traded company behaves any better than a privately owned one?
itake 2 hours ago||
My understanding is people don't like the PE / LBO with a single investor, because it loads the company with debt that it pays back via cutting quality and service offerings.

My assumption is publicly traded company would have access to better financing terms and a diverse set of investors with less "hunger" the financial shenanigans the PE investors have.

mschuster91 5 hours ago||||
> I don't get why sellers are selling to PE. Can these services not "IPO"? Why do these companies need to sell?

Shifting private ownership to a publicly traded company is an awful lot of paperwork (especially for accounting) and upfront costs, you need to time it properly, you need to find banks willing to cooperate.

In contrast, selling a private company to a PE is a pretty much straightforward transaction.

pelotron 5 hours ago|||
I think it's totally appropriate to hold it against them if they knowingly sell out to scumbags. Society used to look down on selling out. We wrote songs about it. But in 2026 it is glorified.
itake 2 hours ago|||
What do you think they should do? Who are they holding out for and for how long can they hold out? Retirement is a financial situation and an age. Do they shutdown the business when they are too old to function as an owner?

My friend's parent's local services company shutdown when they didn't find a buyer. A business limping under interest payments IMHO is better than a complete shutdown.

pizzafeelsright 4 hours ago|||
You're 55, making $400k a year as a HVAC Repair Company, and while you love the business and your kids are in expensive colleges (not taking over the business) you are offered $8MM to sell. Instant retirement. A buy out isn't the same as selling out because people live off of cash and not principal.
pelotron 25 minutes ago||
At the end of the day it comes down to how much money your principles are worth. People are commenting about dentists and doctors being bought out. Those strike me as the kind of people that can afford retirement without also contributing to the worsening of society.
parineum 3 hours ago|||
> Who would have guessed that turning social human constructions into businesses that 'have to make profits' could result in such deaths!?

What are these "social human constructions"?

b3lvedere 3 hours ago||
Healthcare, protection like police and fire departmens, maintenance, repairs, etc.
basisword 6 hours ago|||
You don't understand! It's because it's not a truly free market. If it was truly free of regulation and government oversight it would be incredible.
_DeadFred_ 4 hours ago||
I get this is sarcasm but... meanwhile the founders/great thinkers on free markets wrote extensively on how free markets REQUIRED strong government and strong government oversight.
b3lvedere 3 hours ago||
Indeed it does. Extremely strong government oversight plus corruption control. It’s getting out of control very fast.
Rekindle8090 6 hours ago||
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phkahler 5 hours ago||
>> a structure where 50 to 90 percent of the purchase price is financed by debt, and that debt is loaded onto the balance sheet of the acquired company, not the firm making the acquisition.

This just seems wrong. The buyer takes out a loan, how does that become the responsibility of the company they purchased? I thought loans used to buy a business treated the business as collateral, like a home mortgage. What lender would participate in this? and why?

NoboruWataya 5 hours ago|
> The buyer takes out a loan, how does that become the responsibility of the company they purchased?

Because the company they purchased is now a part of them.

As for why a lender would agree to it, it's because these transactions are not as simplistic or universally disastrous as they are usually described. A lender will obviously only make that loan if it has a reasonable expectation of being paid back, and most of them are. They may get additional collateral like parent/affiliate guarantees and the loans will have covenants relating to financial performance etc.

fredley 6 hours ago||
The people behind these funds are playing Monopoly IRL, and this in particular makes me very angry.

The UK high street has been a notable victim. Gradually, over the past couple of decades, company after company has been snapped up by PE. Not just shops, but restaurants too. Suddenly you realise that the 5 or 6 high street chains that were competing are now owned by the same fund. Quality collapses, prices rise, not just at one chain but everywhere. People stop going, the chain collapses, another empty unit, the fund moves on. It's easy to point at Amazon and internet shopping as having degraded the British high street, but there are several other factors, and PE is a big one.

TheOtherHobbes 6 hours ago||
The combination of PE extraction and "property values = rent we want to change, even if the property is empty" has been economically catastrophic.

PE is often just legalised larceny.

glitchc 5 hours ago|||
You're only thinking from a consumer perspective. When it comes time to sell a business, original owner wants to retire or what not, most small businesses have a hard time finding a buyer. This forces the owner to continue working beyond their time or face destitution. Having a market where PE can snap up a small business is a god-send for these owners. It meets a market need.
_DeadFred_ 4 hours ago||
Hard sell in a world where the average worker is expected to survive without a nice final buyout and told to budget/plan for that shit.
CalRobert 5 hours ago|||
You're well served if you want incredibly overpriced sweets at least.
c16 6 hours ago||
As a consumer, there are many non PE owned restaurants and pubs you can frequent. While you might not be able to change the game, you can absolutely vote with your wallet. The small guys will thank you.

Same for Amazon vs going direct to the manufacturers, which is more often than not, China.

mschuster91 5 hours ago||
> Same for Amazon vs going direct to the manufacturers, which is more often than not, China.

That comes with a bunch of problems. Taxes, import duties and import refusals are the biggest one. With Amazon, at least as long as it's sold or fulfilled by Amazon, no matter what, you are going to get the product in a reasonable time frame (1-3 days IME).

Shipping... depends. If you're in bad luck, the seller doesn't ship Fedex or DHL, but Yanwen or another one of the usual bunch of "aggregators" that bundle weeks worth of shipment to forward it to the US or Europe and unbundle the shipments there.

Assuming your product shows up at your doorstep, legally, you are now the importer and fully responsible for anything related to that specific product - say, an electrical appliance that sets your house on fire. You can't hold anyone accountable but yourself.

And finally, if there's defects, you only have to deal with Amazon. Free shipment back, done. With anything straight out of China, you are now responsible for shipments.

thecolorblue 5 hours ago||
PE profits sound like other companies opportunities. Unless there are barriers to entry not covered in this article, I would think other companies could move in, deliver a fire truck faster and at a lower cost, and at least take a portion of the market that is able to switch.
jeddawson 1 hour ago||
The purchasing process is the barrier to entry. Municipalities are required to run a request for proposal on anything over ~10k. The RFP gets awarded to a PE owned manufacturer that then takes 4+ years to deliver. The municipality is locked into the vehicles they don't have so a new market entry needs to simultaneously establish a track record that qualifies them for being awarded an RFP and be able to wait out the purchase lag. Not impossible, but easier said than done.
muddi900 4 hours ago||
The Capex and Opex requirements to do anything in the US are THE barriers to entry.

Nobody has that kinda cash lying around, banks can't justify such high liabilities, and VCs are not interested in "stable", businesses.

clearstack 4 hours ago|
look at the interest expense line on any PE-backed company 10-K. healthy operating business, absurd debt load. the business doesnt decline — the capital structure slowly kills it.
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