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Posted by stagas 17 hours ago

Show HN: Hallucinate – Massively Multiplayer Online Rave(hallucinate.site)
https://github.com/stagas/hallucinate
379 points | 169 commentspage 2
jda5 10 hours ago|
I couldn't play, the site didn't load for me :(

The progress bar was stuck on 0% for about 2 minutes afterwhich I gave up.

I am on Firefox 151.0.1 (aarch64) and if that helps at all MacOs 26.3 (25D125) if that helps at all.

nottorp 10 hours ago||
It's probably just the HN kiss of death. It loaded on firefox/mac for me to the point i got some buttons, but it took so long i just closed the page to reduce the load on it.
resurge 10 hours ago|||
I think it might be a FF issue. I had the same issue on FF, but it loaded in Chrome. (also took some time though. 1~min)

EDIT: nevermind, now it also loaded in FF

EwanG 10 hours ago||
I suspect it got more traffic than expected. See the same results on Win 11 with Chrome this morning.
coldfoundry 6 hours ago||
I joined but seemingly I had to click start on the youtube video and there was no centralized sync sever. I can only assume the song in the 2hr mix that was playing for me, well, wasn’t playing for everyone else which kills the whole vibe of a rave for me. You should give the ability for clients to sync to the master playtime so it’s at least only a few seconds off! Would really increase the vibe instead of feeling gimmicky.
stagas 6 hours ago|
You have a point, on the other hand, jumping in a set where I missed the intro and build-up, kills some of the vibe for me. This way everyone gets the same experience. That said, the plan is eventually to sync the rooms if that turns out to be a better experience.
fendy3002 11 hours ago||
IJKL for movement instead WASD? An interesting approach...
mathgeek 8 hours ago||
There's a meta joke in here somewhere about going to a rave and expecting it to be the same norms as the rest of the world.
stagas 8 hours ago|||
WASD is now the default, Tab switches between the two layouts for anyone interested.
nottorp 9 hours ago|||
Look, God initially gave us QAOP on 8 bit (1). You WASD heathens are just kids.

[1] With two sects, M or Space for fire.

foobarian 7 hours ago||
Nononono ZXMK
nottorp 6 hours ago||
Maybe on a C64, on the ZX spectrum it would make space very hard to reach.
foobarian 4 hours ago||
It's been my favorite key mapping ever since playing Renegade on Spectrum 128k :-)
nottorp 2 hours ago||
Wait, you were pressing space with your left hand? :)
tejohnso 9 hours ago|||
Perfect.
0xEF 10 hours ago||
pff VIM-like or GTFO
madrox 16 hours ago||
I love silly stuff like this and can only hope that with AI we see more of it. Enjoyed dropping in and the beats were fire.
cyclopeanutopia 14 hours ago|
More is less now. :(
submerge 16 hours ago||
Very cool to vibe out with folks anonymously. Almost like the old days where you could go to a rave and be you without fear someone would take pictures or people outside the rave would know who you are. Would love an option to cycle skin colors / tones.
elektronika 13 hours ago||
I hear this all the time as a rationalization for why people don't go out anymore, but I don't buy it. You're afraid people on the internet might see you having fun? I've had people shove a phone in my face and take video while I was out dancing. It's rude, but it's not a big deal. The reason people don't go out is because Live Nation/Ticketmaster made live music outrageously expensive and strangled small venues.
conductr 13 hours ago||
I don’t buy that as the or even a reason. I’m older and we had raves before any legit venue would touch them. I remember once a venue was forced to cancel due to local law enforcement pressure. It happened the day before. Word spread real quick that we would just meet in a field on someone’s private land, a place we regularly had keg parties and most teenagers were aware of. We always found a way to party in those days. It was the number one objective every week, knowing where we would party on the upcoming weekend. This all was in 90s before anyone I knew had a mobile phone and the internet was not very useful yet.

My observation is that we were just bored a lot. It has been a long time since young people have been as bored as we were back then.

Totally different decade, but my 90s high school experience was very similar to the movie Dazed and Confused. It’s odd how similar those experiences were versus what has come with the tech disruption of youth.

embedding-shape 10 hours ago||
> My observation is that we were just bored a lot. It has been a long time since young people have been as bored as we were back then.

Eh, I think it depends more on the location, than anything else. I grew up rural, we did basically exactly the same thing as you described, hosting raves in the forest, beaches and what not until we get word that police was on it's way (tiny place, everyone knew everyone, police coming was big news as we didn't have local police).

We did have cellphones, the internet and more, but still, we were bored and dancing all night in a forest was the most fun we could have :) This was between around 2008-2011 sometime.

foobarian 7 hours ago|||
I think things really went off a cliff after around 2012 once phones and internet got good, and social media cranked up the algo games.
embedding-shape 4 hours ago||
I dunno, we were "social mediaing" back in 2000s sometime, that's when most of the youth started posting pictures of themselves on the internet and using computers+webcams for communicating among ourselves, many of us used our Sony Ericsson (or similar) phones for taking pictures. I think that particular website that started it all, peaked around 2007 sometime, and was shut down by 2010 already, because of lack of activity. Plenty of sites between 2000-2010 that was the predators to modern social media too, some of them literally centered around sharing and commenting on images, kind of like Instagram, but way before.
conductr 1 hour ago||
For the impact to be felt as a generational shift that is observable IRL, the social media had to reach a certain point of critical mass. The apps/algo needed to be tweaked for addiction. It also become a firehose of content that was pretty realtime, so as to induce FOMO

Things like Flickr was a social site that had absolutely no impact on anyone’s behavior. There was no FOMO because it was just something you browsed at your own pace. Async web forums and email became synchronous chats. The phone started spending more time in your hand than your pocket.

Even things like streaming television wasn’t a binary but an evolution. Netflix streaming started in 2007. It wasn’t until 2012 they became a producer and started the binge phenomenon by releasing a full series all at once. Those first five years practically didn’t matter for Netflix. Many people saw no advantage over the traditional DVD shipping service. Once binging began people were jumping onto the streaming service in droves. It still took a few more years to really reach a point of saturation. Then, there was massive cord cutting and birth of the streaming service landscape of today that is heavily fragmented. But also provides an unlimited supply of entertainment that keeps people appeased and out of meatspace.

conductr 6 hours ago|||
Sure there’s always a lag between city and rural on most things, even fashion trends and whatnot. That being said, I think the lag is gone and has fully saturated most places and demographics by now. The tiktokification is a huge factor that only hit in late teens in the US.
dag11 12 hours ago|||
> you could go to a rave and be you without fear someone would take pictures or people outside the rave would know who you are

These still exist! Look for events promoted as such, or look for smaller local events for the genres you're interested in - the latter might not ban phones, sure, but the vibe is still what you're seeking. Nobody's recording you.

inkcapmushroom 8 hours ago|||
Good news, you can still go to raves. There are still people there being people.
olelele 13 hours ago|||
Come to Berlin, you get stickers for the phones cameras and if you film/take photos you’re thrown out..
stagas 16 hours ago||
Yeah, skin colors is a good idea and good for first PR :)
sodafountan 1 hour ago||
Are the DJs live?
diffs 8 hours ago||
The whole point of a rave is to take Molly and have fun connecting with others who have also taken Molly. At least for this introvert.

I was never a fan of Electronic Music, I tolerate it for the drugs and the temporary extroversion.

abhaynayar 8 hours ago||
How do you get into raves, and how do you take "Molly" and connect with others who have taken "Molly"? (Speaking as an electronic music super-fan, but curious about having never listened to it outside of my personal-devices per-se).
diffs 7 hours ago|||
I lucked out by meeting my partner, and she knew people who were really into the rave scene so I got into raves by going where they told me to go.

However there may be other ways. There might be Facebook groups that advertise raves in your area for example. Event websites, local blogs. You may or may not end up in a good and fun one, but you might end up meeting someone who can point you in the right direction.

One problem you might encounter is age. I find it funner to go to age appropriate events. If you’re in your 30s for example, you probably don’t want to party with 20 year olds. And electronic music culture is old enough that at this point you have people in their 50s still going to raves and doing drugs. So however old or young you are, don’t let that be the barrier.

Molly is something you can only get from a dealer, unfortunately. There’s a site called RollSafe[1] that seems to have decent information on how to take it safely.

Connecting with people who have taken Molly is easy though. Just come up to them and offer them a friendly hug.

[1]: https://rollsafe.org/

abhaynayar 30 minutes ago||
Thx for the info. I think I'll def start going to some irregardless of whether I do the molly thing..

But I was curious, is the sociability and confidence (?) u get thru the molly thing.. does it stay with you..??

I don't really think the reward is worth the risk in my case if it's just a temporary feeling akin to drunkeness (albeit ofc different/better in terms of quality)..

What has been ur experiences.. does the feeling leak out into the days/weeks/months that follow??

slfnflctd 5 hours ago||||
If at all reasonably possible, try to find a place where drugs can be tested to see what they really are (sadly a rare thing still, but it exists).

The next best thing to do is talk with people in the scene and find out what they consider a trustworthy source. Any single person trying to offer you pills is a potential scammer or worse, you need to verify from other sources whether they're legit.

There's probably a better than 50% chance you'll get something close enough to what you want regardless, because incentives are aligned with everyone having a good time. But just like everywhere else, bad actors will always exist.

mountainriver 7 hours ago||||
Most raves are just EDM shows now. In the 90s they were secret warehouse parties, and instead of Molly it was “Ecstasy” Molly can be an unbelievable experience but please be very careful if you have mental illness.
mycodendral 7 hours ago||||
Look up camping EDM festivals.
cmwelsh 7 hours ago|||
Facebook these days. Be careful; it’s expected to accidentally do methamphetamine at these events.
stinos 5 hours ago||
There's a huge variety of electronic music styles. I'd really recommend trying some without the substances. Maybe the extremes are your thing? Or the highly melodic euphoric ones? Or dark stuff? Etc..

The nice thing if you find something is that it's also sustainable - as in: can do this for the rest of your life - which at least for me is definitely not the case with mdma.

diffs 2 hours ago||
Well, I'm a lifelong Metal fan. I like, for example, Goa Trance well enough, but I don't think I'll ever be able to enjoy just listening to EDM for pleasure the way I can with say, Technical Death Metal.
foresto 12 hours ago||
The first time I saw something like this was in a music-focused virtual world from the 2000s. Strangers would strike up conversations with each other, dance (in some cases to well-known artists), wander around to see what others were doing, and generally just hang out.

I think it was called vSide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSide

doublerabbit 12 hours ago|
Cokemusic was another one.

Same platform of Habbo Hotel but sponsored by Coca-Cola.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyCoke

ChrisNorstrom 1 hour ago||
I think most of these players aren't real :( they're bots, I catch them teleporting to certain places, also as soon as I sit down in their spot they get up, and it seems real players don't they just continue sitting.
gloosx 13 hours ago|
Making movement on IJKL instead of WASD is kind of evil
stagas 13 hours ago||
My arrow keys are broken.
stagas 8 hours ago|||
WASD is now the default, Tab changes between layouts.
doomvwr 13 hours ago||
Good for lefties!
somewhatgoated 11 hours ago||
A bit off topic but as someone left handed I use my keyboard and mouse in exactly the same way as right handed people.

It was much easier to get used to this than figure out a custom lefthanded setup.

johnisgood 10 hours ago||
Same... I am left handed and I use the mouse with my right hand, and WASD would have been much more ergonomic.
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