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Posted by maltalex 15 hours ago

S&P 500 rejects SpaceX, also blocking entry for OpenAI and Anthropic(arstechnica.com)
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dash2 2 hours ago|
I’m seeing a lot of naive optimism about this decision.

The risk S&P takes by doing this is that they will still be forced to buy SpaceX, but a year after everybody else. Given that there is a massive amount of capital that you know will have to buy this stock in 12 months, that itself provides speculative reasons to buy it now.

The indices are in an unenviable position: a race to the bottom. The S&P 500 may be setting up its index funds simply to be the last buyer in a Ponzi scheme.

There is no guarantee that the market will find the “true value“ of SpaceX in the 12 month interval. Markets are frothy and speculative already, and they now have a built in exit liquidity provider.

3eb7988a1663 1 hour ago|
The only decision they are making is to maintain their existing rules. Which is what a slow-moving, conservative financial instrument should do.

S&P may very well end up buying SpaceX, but it will be through the standard mechanism they have been using for decades. Not in a last second bum-rush deal that NASDAQ made to grant special favors.

One year from IPO, the insider lock-up periods will have expired, so insiders who want to get out will have had an opportunity to dump their shares in a risk-based approach without a guaranteed payout from index funds.

glimshe 10 hours ago||
They don't make decisions like that out of wisdom and restraint. I imagine they got calls from Vanguard and others after index funds themselves got calls from institutional investors.
ncruces 11 hours ago||
Anyone knows what MSCI World will do?
flexagoon 11 hours ago|
Same question. It seems like they have had fast track rules for a pretty long time and will include SpaceX

https://www.msci.com/indexes/markets-in-motion/megacap-ipos

ncruces 10 hours ago||
So the funds will have to buy within 10 days of the IPO.

But I assume at least it's based on the free-float market cap?

flexagoon 6 hours ago||
Yes, it's based on free-float cap, so while it isn't ideal, it shouldn't be a huge deal for individual investors.
lenerdenator 2 hours ago||
If they're having trouble accumulating more capital, perhaps SpaceX/OpenAI/Anthropic's major shareholders could just try to compete with other investments on the open market instead of trying to soak index funds.
0x10ca1h0st 8 hours ago||
This is a duplicate thread.

Previously: "SpaceX, Other Mega IPOs Denied Fast Index Entry by S&P" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48405718

germandiago 6 hours ago||
Responsible decision as things stand today.
satvikpendem 14 hours ago||
Duplicate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48405718
paulsutter 2 hours ago||
Even as a SpaceX shareholder I have to say this the right decision, and it's what a person would expect.

NASDAQ has an incentive to offer early entry into the index (they want SpaceX to list on their exchange), whereas S&P has no incentive for early inclusion; it could only increase risk for them. Even if they /wanted/ to add SpaceX early, that could create a precedent with unpredictable consequences.

Since most shareholders I know plan to hold for another 20 years, waiting a year to get into the S&P average seems fine. Congratulations to S&P for sticking to principle.

aswegs8 10 hours ago||
Dodged a bullet... seems like they still have integrity.
lenerdenator 7 hours ago|
Is that... no, it can't be.

squints

Is that an institution working for long-term stability instead of short-term gain?

looks through binoculars

Holy hell... it is!

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