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Posted by gavinray 1 day ago

Building from zero after addiction, prison, and a felony(gavinray97.github.io)
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Vaslo 23 hours ago|
As a libertarian right leaning guy I opened your story with pessimism but I really enjoyed it and greatly appreciated the personal responsibility you took in your situation. People should be inspired by this - it’s precisely because of personal responsibility that you are so successful.
mexicocitinluez 14 hours ago||
> it’s precisely because of personal responsibility that you are so successful.

No it's not. It's absolutely not personal responsibility that gets people through addiction.

And if you read the entire article, this should stand out:

> I don't tell this story because I think it is clean, heroic, or universally applicable -- It isn't. I made TERRIBLE choices. I hurt people who loved me. I wasted chances that other people would have killed for. And even when I finally started doing the right things, I still needed luck, help, timing, forgiveness, and people willing to judge me by what I could do next instead of only by what I had done before.

That doesn't sound like personal responsibility that sounds like having people around you that stick around even after you mess up.

I've been an addict for over 20 years (and spent the last 10 clean). I've been in close to a dozen treatment centers. What set me apart from the others (and why I technically "made" it) had very little to do with me. What set me apart was having an insane support system and grace from people who loved me.

gavinray 13 hours ago||
I think it's a bit of a mix of both.

I could not have climbed out of the hole I dug on my own, that I am almost CERTAIN of.

At the same time, if I had felt as though I were owed "more", and indignant about being "wronged", I think it would have made me slightly vindictive and less-positive.

To me, "Libertarianism" is about the power of personal-effort and opportunity. Not everything will pan out if you "just try hard and long enough", but at least THINKING it will (even if you know it's unlikely) feels like a better mindset to me than the alternative.

anthonylevine 12 hours ago||
I was commenting too much, and thus can't reply with the same account, but I wanted to say I do agree with the fact that while you can't control what happened to you in the past (and maybe even what led you to drugs in the first place), your addiction is yours and having a victim-complex (warranted or not) is pretty detrimental to getting clean.

I was pretty fortunate in that while I may not have had the picture perfect childhood, my family was always there for me and in no way shaped my decisions to use. So even if I wanted to feel like a victim, I'd get snapped out of it pretty quickly.

When I look back at what set me apart from most others (I've been in numerous treatment centers, jails, and hundreds of NA meetings), the one thing that stood out to me the most was my support system. Others probably had a greater desire or more to lose, but because desire alone isn't enough, didn't always make it through. One example, my mom would drive hours each weekend to come visit me in treatment. That just didn't exist for the others I was there with.

gavinray 13 hours ago||
I was fortunate to have the help of others ("No man is an island unto himself") but I do think that having the mindset of not being owed anything helped me keep a positive perspective when things were their worst.

I'm not political, but I would consider myself left-leaning Libertarian.

My mother is an Ayn Rand-loving die-hard Libertarian that was very active in politics. She gave me a lot of her books that I read in my youth.

I was raised in a very "The world owes you nothing, you only deserve what you earn." and "by your bootstraps" capitalist family.

(Family did not pay for my first car, my community college, etc. "Go get a job, you bum!")

incompatible 1 hour ago||
The original libertarians were anarchists, which is as far to the left as you can get. They adoption of the term on the right seems to date from the 1970s. Anarchists would typically see this version as rule by the rich, privatized tyranny.
dools 1 day ago||
I know a guy who bankrupted multiple businesses and is 34 time convicted felon and adjudicated rapist and he’s gone on to become president … don’t let your past control your future! /s
incompatible 23 hours ago|
Sure, if you are in the same situation with access to loads of money and good connections, the sky's the limit.
tom86150 21 hours ago||
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gavinray 1 day ago||
Sorry I'm not dead (yet), maybe next go-round of the universe?
Catloafdev 1 day ago|||
What a fantastically small-minded perspective. What exactly do you think you're contributing to the conversation here?
stringfood 1 day ago|||
I went to his profile and it's a pattern with him, low effort comments mixed with general rudeness
ofjcihen 1 day ago||
Got flagged for pointing this out.

He’s essentially telling this guy that he wishes he had been executed.

zuzululu 1 day ago|||
But your own view that we need to be tolerant and empathetic to drug use, drug dealers can't be criticized ? What possible contribution to society has your attitude made ?
Catloafdev 1 day ago||
So you start by essentially saying OP deserved to die and then you pivot to inventing a strawmen argument to argue against? This isn't Twitter, not sure what value you think you're adding here other than bitterness, anger, and hate.
zuzululu 20 hours ago||
> you start by essentially saying OP deserved to die

where did i say those words? Are you saying the victims of drug trafficking should suffer like OP did, make bad choices and die ?

stringfood 1 day ago||
By your own logic the man you 'commend' for turning his life around would be dead at 19 - every good thing he's done since, including the post you're replying to, exists only because nobody took your advice.
zuzululu 1 day ago||
No, you are projecting your own opinion here. I've commended him for turning away from his wrong path while condemning him for his actions individually that have destroyed lives through the same exact suffering he experienced. I offered no advice.
stringfood 23 hours ago||
The worldwide death penalty you're endorsing still kills him at 19, so you're commending a redemption your own proposal would have prevented.
zuzululu 20 hours ago||
You dont care that a drug traffiker kills/destroys countless lives?

Why not apply the same empathy for terrorists? Maybe they can turn their life around too.

stringfood 19 hours ago||
A 14-year-old addict reselling Adderall to classmates to feed his own habit isn't a 'trafficker' who 'destroyed countless lives'
zuzululu 18 hours ago||
IF you read the full story that was his gate way drug and he graduated into selling hard drugs so he could use harder drugs.

It's incredibly sad to see people not realize that drugs can do enormous harm just as a terrorist would inflict upon the population.

The fact that people here are upset that other countries recognize the enormity of going easy on drug pushers but show no empathy for victims of drug use is quite telling.

stringfood 17 hours ago||
the drugs he describes selling are prescription pills and a research chemical that was legal when he sold it, and his conviction was a 'low-grade felony'
alexgoodhart 1 day ago|
Just the kind of victim the system loves.
mexicocitinluez 14 hours ago|
lol what?
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