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Posted by apitman 18 hours ago

I admire Fabrice Bellard. He is almost certainly a better overall programmer(twitter.com)
https://xcancel.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/2064095424420487226
838 points | 406 commentspage 5
Keyframe 11 hours ago|
Maybe a hot take, but I wouldn't call Carmack a great programmer as in _one of the greats_, but definitely influental and original.
deltarholamda 11 hours ago|
I'm not even sure how you'd define a great programmer. Like Justice Potter Stewart I sort of "know it when I see it". For example, I don't think anybody is going to put Rasmus Lerdorf on the Mount Rushmore of Great Programmers, but man alive is PHP really important and quite good, even at the time of release.
AndrewKemendo 8 hours ago||
RIP this class of programmer.

Ritchie, Knuth, Notch, Carmack, Dean etc… these are like the Mount Rushmore of writing code and I think that era is over.

nerdsniper 9 hours ago||
“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”
nixon_why69 9 hours ago|
Horrible take given Bellard's lack of general recognition and also the situation in developed-nation-2026. There are 2 billion people not dying in cotton fields or sweatshops, you're not, where's your revolutionary free code that you gave to the world?

Over half the planet gets a chance to prove they're smart in this day and age, between gaokao in China and whatever the exams are called in India, plus the western world and the rich portions of poor countries.

nerdsniper 8 hours ago|||
> where's your revolutionary free code that you gave to the world?

I’m no Einstein. XD

I wasn’t trying to minimize Bellard’s contributions! I’m in awe of them, and very grateful. If anything I was just noticing that Fabrice is a fantastic example of how much contribution those geniuses could make if they had access to even the bare minimum of education and stability.

For example, if they weren’t growing up in the kilns of India, where they don't actually have real opportunity to participate in “whatever the exams are called in India”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW3cy1kiB-0

https://youtu.be/oAOypGQdzGU?is=mLehIyREf0k9TUzk

nixon_why69 8 hours ago||
An Einstein or Bellard would pass the exams anyways.

A schlub like me probably wouldn't, and I recognize the advantages I've had, but your quote was about Einsteins.

d4rkp4ttern 8 hours ago||||
You're thinking of the legendary IIT (Indian Institute of Technology) JEE (Joint Entrance Exam).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Entrance_Examination

nixon_why69 8 hours ago||
Thanks!
energy123 8 hours ago|||
Ramanujan is a case in point. Some people just have it built into them, most others don't.
hamburgererror 16 hours ago||
> He just keeps shipping.

> He just wrote code.

> He was not done.

> He kept going.

> He is still shipping.

That guy talks like a scrum master, this linkedin bullshit writing style is just so bad...

grokys 16 hours ago||
Pretty sure this is just AI writing style, and yes it's a huge turnoff.
circus1540 15 hours ago|||
He is also wrong. Saying "KVM runs on top of QEMU" is a very funny way of looking at it. And the claim that QEMU backs Google Cloud or AWS or Azure(???) is just plain incorrect. Not downplaying Fabrice's contributions - this tweet is just dumb.
st_goliath 15 hours ago|||
> He kept going.

> He is still shipping.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/schiffen#Etymology_2

:-P

sph 13 hours ago|||
It's an AI generated profile that posts this kind of slop weekly about popular developers and entrepreneurs. The type of feel good shit that makes the front page of social media. Not even Carmack is immune.
latexr 16 hours ago|||
My “favourite” was “a project called JSLinux that engineers still cannot believe is real”. Such dumb hyperbole.
infofarmer 16 hours ago||
Obviously an LLM and sad Carmack engages with slop to normalize it.
spwa4 11 hours ago||
Why bother with the long comments? Just go to http://bellard.org
rcastellotti 16 hours ago||
remember when HN was interesting?
stock_toaster 15 hours ago||
Pepperidge Farms remembers...
ErroneousBosh 16 hours ago||
It used to have a lot less stuff about AI in it. It'd be great if we could just filter off all the posts about LLMs and LLM-related crap.
tjpnz 17 hours ago||
From the tweet he's replying to:

>A quiet French engineer who never moved to Silicon Valley wrote the code that quietly runs the internet.

Why do some assume you need to move to SV to make an impact in tech?

Tade0 16 hours ago||
Presumably because "money".

Or they just don't know tech outside of SV, which is understandable, considering the rest doesn't do nearly the same amount of self-promotion and, well, they're not from SV anyway so why should SV care?

The other day there was this article: something something nerds, which assumed (almost) everyone in tech was looking up to Jobs and Wozniak.

I think I saw my first Mac in 2006 or so and only for a brief moment - it belonged to an artist the parents of my high school friend employed. The next time it was a musician. That was really the stereotype in my corner of the world at the time and using Apple devices for programming seemed like a weird idea.

thibaut_barrere 16 hours ago|||
There’s a strong narrative that it’s unreasonable to stay in the EU (“too regulated”, etc.) if you want to hack on real stuff. Yet plenty of us do — Bellard being exhibit A.
u1hcw9nx 15 hours ago|||
You can stay in EU if you don't need large amounts of capital needed to grow.

EU is thin in capital, not in innovation. Regulation is not an issue for high-tech. The list of smaller startups US and Chinese megacorps buy every year from EU is staggering.

gitanovic 16 hours ago|||
Salvatore Sanfilippo (a.k.a. Antirez) exhibit B
dofm 16 hours ago|||
I had assumed it was slop but whether or not it is, that is kind of a revealing default isn't it?
croes 16 hours ago||
Some assume that everything noteworthy regarding the internet is SV based.
ErroneousBosh 16 hours ago||
"... that the entire Internet runs on without knowing his name"

I'd hazard a guess that most people who run Internet things know who Fabrice Bellard is, and may indeed have spoken to him at some point.

te_chris 13 hours ago||
The tweet Carmack's replying to is such a gross, cloying example of LLM slop. Bellard, of course is a legend.
latexr 15 hours ago|
I’m asking genuinely: What’s the point of linking to Carmack’s tweet? The intellectual curiosity (what HN is ostensibly about) is all in the quoted tweet (despite it being written like an LLM trained on LinkedIn posts). Carmack isn’t really adding anything of importance or interest. Linking to him feels a bit cult of personality, as if Bellard is deserving of attention because Carmack gave some vague praise with qualifiers. Why not link directly to the quoted tweet, or even the Wikipedia page?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrice_Bellard

Surely we are all capable of understanding Bellard’s contributions and judge them on their own merits without needing some famous programmer to point directly at it and saying “this good”.

menaerus 15 hours ago||
The tweet also reads a bit off to me too. Carmack positions himself as if he is a some sort of a litmus test for being a great and successful programmer, which I don't doubt that he is but it's a bit strange. Egotripping.
Capricorn2481 6 hours ago||
If most people would agree with that, is it really egotripping?
latexr 9 hours ago||
This has gotten a ton of upvotes, then a ton of downvotes. Yet no one has yet answered the question. If you are downvoting, presumably you believe there is a point to linking to Carmack’s tweet. That it somehow adds more value than the alternative. So please explain why. Like I said before, I am asking genuinely.
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