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Posted by jhonovich 1 day ago

Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed(ipvm.com)
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throwaway74628 22 hours ago|
Nit: the police chief was also stalking and harassing at least one man
xigoi 7 hours ago||
But crimes against men don’t matter because by being a man, he is responsible for all crimes committed by men. /s
assimpleaspossi 21 hours ago||
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throwaway85825 23 hours ago||
When flock data was FOIAd the state just exempted the data from FOIA.
qmr 23 hours ago||
So glad we got them kicked out of Mountain View.
connort459 22 hours ago||
The fact police can go in and just look at camera footage without warrant proves your point precisely, officers have used it to stalk family members, etc.
ckrusk 7 hours ago||
Is this much different than a doctor/sw/nurse/admin looking up patient records? I know that doctors are not the government, so no 4th amendment rights, but folks in the medical community have the basically the same level of access to much more sensitive information.

also, since there has been a lot of talk of warrantless searches, 4th a, etc.... is there an expectation to privacy when out in public when one would be captured on a flock camera? like red light cameras already exist and some non-sworn pd admin is looking through your file to send you a ticket...

jimt1234 22 hours ago|||
This type of thing is definitely real. A friend of mine went on a date with an NYPD cop back in the 90s. She refused a second date, and the stalking began. It wasn't 'tech stalking', like today, but the cop started asking interrogating questions to her landlord and co-workers; she started getting weird/false parking tickets, etc. The only way she made it stop was that her cousin was a veteran with NYPD, and well, he had a little chat with the young, stalking cop. But who knows where it all would've ended up if her cousin wasn't also a cop???
BLKNSLVR 12 hours ago|||
Young stalking cop should have been charged and kicked off the force. Already proved they're incapable of handling even basic adult responsibilities, so police powers should be kept well it off such a person's reach.

I doubt any of that happened though.

connort459 22 hours ago|||
Yeah what in the world, now imagine that nowadays with FLOCK cameras. I see that going nowhere good
assimpleaspossi 21 hours ago||
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INTPenis 12 hours ago||
It should go without saying that all humans are flawed, regardless of their training, their uniform, their position in society.

The local pedohunters group dumpen.se in Sweden actually caught a cop trying to meet a fictional 14 year old, and the cop used his access to public CCTV to check the meeting point before going there.

economistbob 6 hours ago||
A warrant being required for a GPS tracker but not for nationwide direct visual monitoring seems absurd.
normalaccess 21 hours ago||
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." -- Cardinal Richelieu

Privacy protects personal dignity, not just illicit behavior. We close bathroom doors, keep journals, and have intimate conversations not because we are breaking the law, but because we value personal modesty and boundaries.

We are quickly approaching a time when we are all guilty until proven innocent by voyeuristic power-hungry psychopathic megalomaniacs who cry the old cry of "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect

SapporoChris 19 hours ago||
I do not disagree with the intentions of the quote, however it is disputed.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cardinal_Richelieu#Disputed

xigoi 7 hours ago||
Nobody is installing surveillance cameras in you bathroom.
tencentshill 7 hours ago||
They would really, really like to. Kids at school vape in there, people do drugs in public ones.
nativeit 5 hours ago||
It was not that long ago that i was watching Top Gear UK talk about how much they admired the US for its libertarian ideals, and how Americans don’t tolerate things like speed cameras on a cultural level.

Within a decade, we ushered in CCTV and automated plate readers to a degree that would make the CCP blush.

Jzush 20 hours ago||
Not sure how much warrants are going to help when a judge will see a stack of requests from a police chief and just rubber stamp them all without looking. This is already a problem in places where warrants are required.
chaps 19 hours ago|
With a search warrant, I can submit FOIA requests or go to the courthouse.

With flock searches, I (usually) can't because Illinois law exempts ALPR records. Here's the most egregious example I've seen: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/waukegan-11153/flock-safety-alp...

largbae 21 hours ago|
Yes this is how freedoms are restored. Next we need a story of flock tracking a reporter or political figure. Put that 4th amendment into sharp focus.
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