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Posted by jhonovich 1 day ago

Flock-Powered Police Chiefs Stalking Women Shows Why Warrants Are Needed(ipvm.com)
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gigel82 1 day ago|
Can I set up my own camera on the side of the road (in a public place) to scan people's faces and license plates, link them up to one of the many data brokers (or leaks) and use a big display to show the drivers' pictures and something like "Hey Rick Larsen, it's the 24th time we've seen you this week. We'll let our clients know there's no one home at 2930 Wetmore Avenue, Everett most weekdays between 8 and 4!", and then place them somewhere like oh, I don't know, in close proximity to a capitol building?

We can pay the regular fees that advertisers pay to have billboards up.

And if we're not allowed to do that, why is Flock?

assimpleaspossi 23 hours ago||
No one has the right to privacy in a public setting. That's why street photographers can roam around and take photos of anyone and publish them. Whether you can publish personally identifiable information based on that, I don't know.
ckrusk 9 hours ago|||
first - yes, as others have noted, very easy to set this up and I encourage you to try! you could have a mini flock set up for your neighborhood or apartment in no time (not to mention ring cameras - look up the super bowl ad that went south quick).

second - five eyes (i think?) treaties allow tons of mass surveillance, the only rule is that you can't spy on your own country, but trading the data is above board

Manuel_D 1 day ago|||
Yes, you are allowed to set up a camera, as long as you own the land you're putting the camera on or you have permission from the landowner.

Again, I'm surprised by how many people don't realize that it's legal to film people in public.

xigoi 9 hours ago|||
Since when is Flock publicizing private information obtained through data leaks?
gigel82 7 hours ago||
Since forever, that's literally their business model. My (and your) private information was leaked (unconsensually), including timestamped location, travel companions, photographs from inside your vehicle, what you're wearing, etc. all leaked / stolen and then publicized to all kinds of people (criminals with badges, Palantir, the secretaries in the city council, etc.).
etchalon 1 day ago||
You can probably do that, so long as you're doing it on property you own.
josefritzishere 1 day ago||
As far as I can tell from the news, Flock is only used to commit crimes.
downrightmike 22 hours ago||
They silently stole $46 million secretly from Canada
mindslight 1 day ago||
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tiahura 9 hours ago||
No, it shows that cities need to do a better job of policing their police.
nullc 20 hours ago||
No it shows why mass surveillance systems should be outlawed.
zombot 11 hours ago||
Ubiquitous surveillance + no oversight: What could possibly go wrong.
rose-knuckle17 22 hours ago||
Imagine what Musk can do with all the SSA and Tax data he stole in the most blatant and underreported data heist in history.
TZubiri 21 hours ago||
Big fan of court ordered warrants as a way to limit law enforcement here.

That said, warrants protect law enforcement like searching someone's house. It seems that some less intrusive powers like running someone's plate has been given to the police with lower controls.

And it makes sense right? If every judge needed to approve every potential plate check, it might be too much for daily operations.

So option A, push towards everything being protected under warrants.

Sure, option B, how about protection mechanisms that sit somewhere in the middle? For example, what if some powers were audited (sounds like they are logged already) on a probabilistic basis. What if judges could inspect some fraction of searches after the fact, and ask for justification afterwards. Of course this would have no effect on the actual search, but it would have long term effects on future searches.

Even if 1% of lesser searches are audited, I'm sure most policemen would be much more weary about using them for personal matters like stalking women.

ckrusk 9 hours ago||
I am sure an automated report to the chief/captain would solve most of this and making sure that every query/report had an associated case/complaint number too. real crimes attached to real searches.
BrenBarn 17 hours ago||
There are other options. One is to allow them to be audited not just by judges but by various "watchdog" groups which themselves go through some kind of vetting process. If you think police would be wary if they knew judges were watching 1% of their videos, imagine how they'd feel if they knew the ACLU had the option of watching every single one.

The other side of it, though, is enforcement, and to me this seems like what's mostly lacking. It remains to be seen what will happen with this case but the article mentions a variety of actions over a period of time

1. he tracked six separate people

2. he ran license plates for these people 140 times

2. he searched the database while off duty

3. he called the ex-boyfriend

4. he said "This is the only time I'm going to be nice about this" which pretty clearly is threatening statement

For this he was charged with. . . two Illinois class-3 felonies, which from what I see online means each charge can get you 2-5 years in prison. So he's looking at 10 years max, if he gets convicted with the charges as they stand.

What each individual misuse of the tracking was charged as a separate offense? What if the standard of proof for officer misconduct was drastically lowered, so that, for instance, they could be fired or incur significant financial penalties with a much quicker process? And if the full criminal process does go through, as far as I'm concerned, a police officer who misuses their position in this manner should probably be wearing an ankle monitor for the rest of their life and/or have to register in a manner similar to sex offenders. We are way too lenient with the punishments for misuse of authority.

aussieguy1234 22 hours ago||
Statistically, police officers are much more likely than your average person to be a perpetrator of domestic abuse
kittikitti 1 day ago||
Random people at your workplace likely know others with access and use it to spy on their own coworkers. I know of cases where they report the smallest details to Human Resources.
cdrnsf 1 day ago|
Regular reminder that their CEO called Deflock a terrorist organization. I hope they go out of business and their cameras end up as e-waste.
Ancapistani 20 hours ago|
If I'm a terrorist, I've not been a very good one to this point.
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