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Posted by ilreb 10 hours ago

AI's Affordability Crisis(blog.dshr.org)
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raincole 9 hours ago||
> OpenAI Had $13.07 Billion In Revenue, $34 Billion In Costs and Expenses, and $20.92 Billion In Losses, with a net loss attributable to the company of $38.53 Billion

This is going to be the new most misquoted/misunderstood data of the year, isn't it? The cost is mostly from a one-time accounting situation due to their pivot from a non-profit organization.[0] If we trust the leak [1] OpenAI is likely turning profitable this year.

[0]: $30Bn of it is the one-time cost. https://www.ft.com/content/e15b0d7e-ff6b-4f16-ba7a-4068feddb...

[1]: I suspect OpenAI itself leaked that financial report. It's almost unbelievably healthy.

gexla 1 hour ago||
Whenever I see the cost indicator in my harness while building some probably useless thing, I'm reminded that probably everyone else is doing the same thing. Spending loads of imaginary money (according to the harness, I spent $10 worth of tokens for this single issue, but I have a $20 sub) building something of imaginary value. And then I go on social media and see a wall of slop posts, many talking about skills, systems, agents, and "Karpathy Wiki Systems" to build more useless things. Then I hear about all jobs going to AI, and I figure surely someone has to be the sane one to direct people not to build useless things. Surely you can't leave that up to the AI sales guy. Every single idea I have ever passed by GPT is BRILLIANT! I don't know where I'm going with this. At least it wasn't written by AI. ;)

Edit to add: Just use Deepseek Flash 4. You can hit those servers all day for next to nothing and still scratch the itch to build useless things. ;)

yalogin 8 hours ago||
The issue is the cost is not going to be a hindrance for companies that have gone all in on the AI development. They may still find it cheaper than hiring engineers and if needed they will layoff a few more.

The companies that did not yet jump on this bandwagon and are still evaluating will have a decision to make.

No matter what the AI companies are going to change their pricing strategy and it’s going to become a lot lot more expensive to use. I am just hoping the price stays like this until I am done with my big chunk of work

travisb 8 hours ago||
I think a lot of the cost comparisons to employees are off by a factor of 2 or more. AI is the ultimate contractor. Available instantly. Doesn't charge during idle periods. Pre-vetted and pre-trained. No contract negotiations or complex accounting.

That is worth a small multiple of the fully-loaded employee cost. So AI might be easily worth more than $200 per human-equivalent hour. With high utilization, that might be $8000-10000 a month.

With that kind of spend, AI provider financials looks less frightening.

lbreakjai 1 hour ago||
AI is more like a union that controls the entire labour pool. I'm one out of a few million developers. I've got very limited bargaining power. I can't withdraw my labour because I need it to make rent and buy food. My cost has a very predictable ceiling.

On the other hand, there's two AI labs, that could afford to eat your profit, because what are you gonna do? They're your entire labour force.

ilovecake1984 2 hours ago||
Agree. But if that’s the thinking then you need to compare vs off shore contract rates, not on shore contract rates.
recursivedoubts 9 hours ago||
Once locals get to Opus levels I think it we may see a phase change because that + a reasonably competent programmer is going to be a very powerful combination for most practical programming problems.

Frontier models may eventually achieve super-intelligence (no opinion beyond mild skepticism) but super-intelligence isn't necessary for most practical day-to-day programming. The problems, as always, become communication, understanding what users really need, etc. that is, softer skills.

wqaatwt 3 hours ago||
> Once locals get to Opus levels

I find it hard to imagine it would ever be cost efficient vs hosted/cloud i.e. you should always be able to run faster and/or better models remotely at a comparable price since its just way more efficient due to batching

cheonic52749 9 hours ago||
> Frontier models may eventually achieve super-intelligence but super-intelligence isn't necessary for most practical day-to-day programming

I think you forgot what super-intelligence means…

recursivedoubts 9 hours ago||
tbh, not sure i ever understood it
sdenton4 6 hours ago|||
In discussions of super intelligence and ai takeoff and such, I find it helpful to ask why the smartest humans usually aren't heads of state...
LoganDark 9 hours ago|||
A superintelligence is one that exceeds human intelligence in all areas. Which roughly translates to learning, adapting, and performing more quickly and efficiently than even the best humans. This is closely related to "the singularity", which is when technological growth becomes uncontrollable by humanity.
bryanlarsen 8 hours ago||
That sounds like a definition designed for goal shifting. This AI is better than human at 99.9% of things, but humans are better at pooping. Therefore we don't yet have a superintelligence.
wqaatwt 3 hours ago|||
A basic calculator is 100% better than humans at all the things its designed to do.
LoganDark 8 hours ago|||
If that AI were given an identical human body (and interface to that body) to someone who had not yet learned how to do that, and it outperformed them in figuring it out, then that would settle it.

Otherwise I don't see the comparison.

If I'm intelligent enough to use a tool, but I don't have the tool, that doesn't mean anyone who does have the tool is automatically more intelligent than me.

Likewise, comparing my performance without the tool against someone's performance with the tool wouldn't be benchmarking their performance, only benchmarking them with the tool's performance. The fairer comparison would be against me also with the tool.

GodelNumbering 9 hours ago||
I don't see any real point being made in (or point of) the article. The author sort of just...dumped a bunch of links with the noise that is so incredibly mainstream at the moment that I doubt any of it is news to anyone even somewhat tracking the AI cycle. Most of it (except for maybe the BLS[1] stat) is just regurgitation.

[1]: And this too is incorrect, should be " the number of jobs displaced would be around 32.5M" (the post says 32.5K)

KolibriFly 7 hours ago||
I feel like the author is jumping way too fast from "OpenAI is losing money" to "the whole AI economy is broken." A company being in the red during aggressive scaling doesn't automatically mean the unit economics don't work.
atleastoptimal 9 hours ago||
These companies biggest source of revenue is per-token pricing though, not subscriptions. On tokens they make a good margin.
Quarrelsome 9 hours ago|
Is it not also possible that some of the shift is a consequence of increase of use? While we can be extremely cynical at the finances at play, the lock down and increase of token pricing might be demonstrating a burgeoning demand, which would be a positive indicator.
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