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Posted by 1vuio0pswjnm7 13 hours ago

Reid Hoffman says SpaceX 'not an AI company', xAI 'complete train wreck'(fortune.com)
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JumpCrisscross 11 hours ago|
> The asymmetry—Anthropic penalized while OpenAI was not—is what troubles him most

This isn’t the asymmetry that worries me. Anthropic was penalized, which makes OpenAI (and xAI and every other American company) theoretically subject to the same class of penalties.

DeepSeek is not.

trollbridge 12 hours ago||
Seems very relevant that SpaceX’s primary AI offerings are:

- Cursor - Lots of data centre capacity being rented to Anthropic and Google and others

That seems very much like being an AI company.

verdverm 11 hours ago||
Renting GPUs doesn't make you an Ai company imo, colocation data center is more accurate. One might expect that line of business to commodify within five years.
trollbridge 11 hours ago|||
Yeah, like how AWS has “commodified”

Cursor is obviously an AI company and the main problem Cursor faced was not really having their own model and being forced to buy expensive inference from other providers.

Cursor + their own data centres + the ability to train their own models is pretty big. Definitely an AI company.

verdverm 11 hours ago||
Does Cursor have any meaningful market share? I cannot seem to find them on any lists.

Would your requirements also make Atlassian an Ai company? They have data centers and have trained their own model and have Rovo. I certainly do not because it's not their main line of business and their "ai" sucks hard. SpaceX seems to be closer to this category than Anthropic/OpenAI

unregistereddev 11 hours ago|||
This is nitpicky (and it supports your point, I'm not arguing): Colocated data centers became a commodity decades ago. Currently they are a scarce commodity that's in high demand, but I agree with you that this will eventually come full cycle.
youngtaff 10 hours ago||
They’re not long term contract though… some might only be 90days
childofhedgehog 6 hours ago||
https://archive.is/qhW3h
nova22033 11 hours ago||
How many people use grok professionally? Compared to claude code/codex?
cmiles8 11 hours ago||
Guy who has enormous personal financial interest vested in xAI being a train wreck says xAI is a train wreck. Fascinating thought leadership.
outside1234 12 hours ago||
I wake up every morning amazed that there were enough people foolish enough to buy a company with only $18B in revenue and no profit at basically at the valuation of Microsoft (a company with $300B in revenue and $100B in profit).
an0malous 12 hours ago||
A ton of them are on this thread
N_Lens 12 hours ago||
They would be very upset with your comment if they could read!
fourseventy 12 hours ago||
Short it then
neogodless 12 hours ago|||
There are more than those two options, both of which are "take unnecessary risk on a hugely uncertain investment."
the__alchemist 11 hours ago||
If you were reasonably confident the stock was overvalued and/or would go down, why would you not short it, (Or similar)? "Talk is cheap" and "Putting money where mouth is" are both trite, but applicable here. In the short term, this can misfire, but as a consistent mindset long term, it would expose whether there is value in these assessments.

To help you understand my mindset here: Picture a simple game or bet. RNG/dice etc. 55% chance for a $10 payout; 45% chance to lose $10. You would keep on rolling that die, right? I believe this is is close enough of a comparison.

Stated another way: Someone else who has no confident predictions about the market and is in index funds or similar, would love to be able to make confident statements about a stock (SPCX or w/e), because it would be an effective edge. They wouldn't just post about it on the internet; they would take appropriate positions.

thinkharderdev 10 hours ago||
> 55% chance for a $10 payout; 45% chance to lose $10. You would keep on rolling that die, right?

The answer is that it depends? If I have $1B then yeah I would roll the dice and keep rolling as long as they let me. If I have $100? Maybe not because you can go very easily go broke even if each bet is positive EV.

fluidcruft 11 hours ago||||
Cults remain irrational longer than the sane can remain solvent. Particularly when the cult captures regulators and governments.
the__alchemist 11 hours ago|||
I'm with the parent post, and I did!
dburkland 9 hours ago||
Why is this news? Reid isn't relevant.
himata4113 11 hours ago|
The "Tell Gen Z to stop booing AI" is crazy to me. Are we living on the same planet, every argument is dismissed even though it's backed with real data.
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