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Posted by Brajeshwar 1 day ago

Big AI labs are hiring philosophers(www.economist.com)
https://archive.is/T1FJG
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bigbuppo 1 day ago|
How much longer until they start hiring the token high school drop out whiz kid, or are they completely skipping that this time around?
geye1234 1 day ago||
For those of us who have read Paul Graham's submarine essay, should the last paragraph be a giveaway? The "AI theoretician's" quote seems to have nothing to do with the rest of the article.
Terr_ 1 day ago||
> Paul Graham's submarine essay

To save a few clicks: https://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html

> [The] PR industry, lurking like a huge, quiet submarine beneath the news. Of the stories you read in traditional media that aren't about politics, crimes, or disasters, more than half probably come from PR firms.

felooboolooomba 1 day ago||
>more than half probably come from PR firms

Imagine how bad it is on social media.

Terr_ 1 day ago||
Frankly, I'm kinda scared about a negative-trust future.

Compared to the 90's, not only are the financial pressures for scams/fraud/astroturfing rather extreme, but the cost of running lots of complicated lies is dropping like a stone.

felooboolooomba 16 hours ago||
That negative-trust future is already here.

When GPT showed up, I posted that the internet and the world as we knew it was over. I mostly got downvoted and negative comments.

sdellis 1 day ago||
If you're talking about the quote being a giveaway that the article is PR, I'm not following you. The point of the last paragraph is a warning that outsourcing ethical decisions to an AI is likely to result in decisions that one might not actually make and find morally dubious.

And prioritizing Consequentialism in AI, especially with weapons, is a dangerous bargain. "How do you make decisions when the consequences are unclear?" Since when are the full consequences _ever_ clear?

akitowerns 21 hours ago||
Hiring philosophers to patch ethics onto systems built without ethical constraints is like hiring a nutritionist after you've already opened the fast food chain. The architecture decisions were the philosophy.
hamburgererror 20 hours ago||
Sounds like the same story than when social media companies started to hire psychologists to make their apps more addictive.
glimshe 1 day ago||
Some say that much of modern philosophy is simply wordplay with limited actual content... which is exactly what LLMs are great at.
anigbrowl 1 day ago||
There's more to it than wordplay, but it's reasonable to argue that a lot of consists of building castles in the air, ie elaborating a theoretical system in a rigorous and consistent way but where your beginning axioms are kind of arbitrary, or depend on balancing considerations that are fundamentally unmeasurable.

You can turn anything argument inside out by attacking its axiomatic foundation. For example, if I give two people $1000 each as a gift I've favored them both equally, right? But suppose person A is not very materialistic and is completely satisfied with $1000 whereas person B doesn't think it's that much and only feels (say) 10% satisfied; if I know this in advance, wouldn't it have been more just to give person A only $100? But what if person B is just more selfish, or already has so much money that their threshold of satisfaction has escalated in proportion to their wealth? Should I considering the absolute utility of $1000 or the marginal utility to the receiver? And so on.

The problem with hyper-intellectualizing things is that it's like developing an autistic fixation on train schedules and making passionate observations about the 2nd derivative of punctuality metrics, but only on Wednesdays; it's not that the observations are wrong per se, but do they matter?

applicative 1 day ago||
Descartes, Leibniz, Kant, Frege, Russell, Wittgenstein - simply wordplay with limited actual content.
giardini 1 day ago||
When they should have hired mathematicians!
__patchbit__ 21 hours ago|
I have asked a mathematician to "Define consciousness." who self identifies to be a third of each: poet and linguist, mathematician; the thought bubble offered so far along the mandering trail at resonance to "intrinsic computational consciousness" is a reflection on knowledge and work, randomness in the context of complexity theory.
bharxhav 1 day ago||
It'll be funny when AI will embody human philosophy better than us.
throwitaway222 1 day ago|
Jesus will come back in 2031 and say - oh shit where is everyone?

Humanoid Cylon pops out from the woods: Oh, crap you were really real! We exterminated all the humans a year ago. Well, I guess we did make a mistake.

Someone make an AI video of that.

skeledrew 1 day ago||
I doubt there will be woods to pop out of.
nyeah 1 day ago||
Maybe George Gilder is available. No PhD but lots of hands-on experience.
aniokono 1 day ago|
I think it's in search of AGI (artificial general intelligence).
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