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Posted by Cider9986 2 hours ago

Countries are competing to see which can carry out mass surveillance the best(mullvad.net)
238 points | 91 comments
0x_rs 1 hour ago|
The internet, as it was before the one-way ratchet started to close, feels more and more like a lightning in a bottle that nobody in power wants repeating ever again. Everything in the past couple years has been going towards the centralization into a small number of services, walled wastelands that require you forfeit any kind of anonymity to even browse, tightly coupled to the countries they operate in, and especially for tech corpos, practically an extension of surveillance agencies through PRISMesque programs.

Soon enough (and already the case, if you're one of the unlucky ones) you won't even be able to browse it without explicitly allowing Google to track you on every single website you try to access through your Google-approved, constantly monitored handheld device, linked directly to your identity.

Commercial VPNs are not a solution, they're merely kicking the can down the road, and shrinking the number of people that will complain once they will, finally, come for them too, first by requiring strict accountability to providers and age verification, then outright banning any that do not comply.

GL26 1 hour ago||
Spoiler alert : Singapore won the race years ago. Cameras everywhere, and mostly : the singaporian civilian population is educated to surveil peers so that they don't commit incivilities. Here is an article about it : https://gcctvms.com/smart-city-surveillance-singapore-camera...
persavon 2 minutes ago||
I’d rather live in Singapore any day than US. I actually think a bit of surveillance and law enforcement is necessary. People in US think they can do whatever they want with no repercussions because “that’s their God given right”. Look at all the garbage in their streets. Try telling someone in US that they parked on 2 spots and see how quickly you get punched in the face. And so on. I’d rather have cameras and strict law enforcement than everyone thinking they can do whatever they want.
Cider9986 44 minutes ago||
I need a list of countries not to visit.

So far I have UK, China, Singapore.

But maybe I should accept less rights when traveling.

highfrequency 4 minutes ago||
Why UK?
egorfine 1 hour ago||
reddit started asking KYC yesterday.

You (and me) can bitch all you want, but reddit has well prepared for us whining and being sad will change nothing.

Mark my words: KYC will be required on HN in about two years. Not because dang will want it, but because that's the direction the world is going to.

kklisura 1 hour ago||
Maybe dang doesn't want it, but his boss definitely wants it.

Garry Tan, president & CEO of YC, on Flock support: "You're thinking Chinese surveillance US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims" [1]

The tech/VC people want it, because that's where the money will be.

[1] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

kklisura 1 hour ago|||
"Anthropic to require age verification via Persona" [1]

Oh Persona is also used on Reddit [2].

Persona.

A YC backed company.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48628264

[2] https://help.withpersona.com/articles/7F6BaF9h8Fxf0XWkwQscXN...

tough 18 minutes ago||
A Vibes backed company too, it seems.[1]

[1] https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2026/02/age-verificat...

elektronika 4 minutes ago||||
Right, it's dystopian if they do it, but utopian if we do. If anything I'd trust Chinese surveillance more. It's accountable to the government not the whims of profit motive and private individuals.
egorfine 1 hour ago|||
This is new to me. Very sad.
qwertox 1 hour ago|||
> us whining and being sad will change nothing

For me, ditching Reddit was what changed.

egorfine 1 hour ago||
Yeah... I have been reading threads upon threads of normies who discussed how to take better pictures of their passports to submit to Persona in order to keep using reddit.

We are clearly the minority and reddit is happy to pay the price of us leaving the platform.

mdp2021 20 minutes ago|||
> will be required on HN in about

We moved here because it was the best place available: we'd move elsewhere in case this place will not be available.

egorfine 6 minutes ago||
Nah. HN users just like the rest of the normies will happily oblige and upload their passports.

It's just that a small minority will continue to protect child abuse^W^W^Wresist utopia.

Cider9986 1 hour ago|||
Reddit doesn't want to ask for KYC, they are required by law.

Use a VPN, perhaps Mullvad or IVPN to appear to sites as if you are from a freer country (or state) to bypass the KYC.

egorfine 1 hour ago||
> they are required by law

Yes I understand. They are better prepared to fight the surveillance state than I am. And yet they caved in instead of putting out some resistance.

simonask 1 hour ago||
It's weird because... I'm not the customer on either Reddit or HN. I'm the product.
egorfine 1 hour ago||
You can become a customer on reddit by purchasing subscription. I did. I like reddit.

Doesn't matter. They want your passport.

kruffalon 59 minutes ago|||
This is like saying you are the customer when you buy branded goods when in essence you are just paying to advertise the product for them.

Very weird world we live in!

hightrix 50 minutes ago|||
Reddit doesn’t even have my email. No way in hell will they get any real identification.
egorfine 45 minutes ago||
You realize people are uploading their docs to reddit by the millions, right?
mdp2021 17 minutes ago||
What do you mean? You do realize that "those" people have little to nothing to do with proper people, right?

Of course people are deficient by the billions.

egorfine 7 minutes ago||
And that means that largely nobody cares about us with our opinion.

Internet WILL be completely KYCed and very soon. That's kind of inevitable.

goalieca 2 hours ago||
VPNs are great and all but many that are well advertised here in North America are a huge source of attacks, abuse, etc. so it’s pretty desirable just to block them. They sometimes have agreements with residential ISPs to get around the bans.
dataviz1000 1 hour ago|
The largest provider of residential ISP, BrightData, has installed them on smart TVs made by Samsung and LG, millions of them, unknown to the people who purchase and use the TVs.
qwertox 1 hour ago||
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speak_plainly 1 hour ago||
Governments are casting a wide a net but it all seems aimed at a foreign influence and espionage Cold War going on. The thought of using this for crime in most countries is tertiary and the real reasons for implementing these systems are so embarrassing to their respective governments that they will rarely mention what's actually going. In Canada there has been two recently large omissions, one is the Chinese government influencing Canadian elections and the other was Indian spies killing Indian immigrants on Canadian soil. Maybe this will all result in mission creep, but the upside will be getting to pay for things with your face.
cyanydeez 1 hour ago|
America, however, is definitely trying to tear down the wall between domestric and foreign surveillance.
forshaper 1 hour ago||
I've very sympathetic to this message, but "not even the Pentagon’s employees can expect to have their privacy respected" doesn't make sense. When you sign up, you sign up to hand everything over, including your private life.
sys_64738 1 hour ago||
Britain will win for sure.
TestINGNG 1 hour ago||
The interesting question is whether non-Western countries will develop their own internet governance models that are neither US-dominated nor China-firewall style. The .ng ccTLD (Nigeria) is a real, functional namespace that offers an alternative to .com. The internet was supposed to be distributed. Maybe the future is genuinely distributed governance, not a single blocs approach.
MomsAVoxell 1 hour ago||
If you're not fabricating your own silicon, you are OWNED.
Cider9986 50 minutes ago|
Lock in, that's not true.

https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/search?f=tweets&q=Backdoor&si...

othomp 24 minutes ago||
long video, but... https://youtu.be/jmTwlEh8L7g

the presenter now works at intel.

bsenftner 1 hour ago|
sure, I'll just right on your service, with the ability to see and sell everything I do...
Cider9986 1 hour ago|
VPNs shift trust from your ISP to the VPN provider.

I trust Mullvad 100x more than my ISP, so it's a good decision to use Mullvad and it benefits my privacy.

It's not like your ISP or Mullvad can see content of sites, either they can just see the DNS requests.

What ISP sees without a VPN: news.YCombinator.com, apple.com, Wikipedia.com

What ISP sees with a VPN: Mullvad server

What VPN sees when you use it: news.YCombinator.com, apple.com, Wikipedia.com

z3t4 1 hour ago|||
You also need to trust the root certificates that they don't give key access to the VPN or ISP
Cider9986 48 minutes ago||
https://certificate.transparency.dev/
raverbashing 52 minutes ago|||
Note that depending on how you're using your VPN you need to explicitly set it for DNS queries to be made over the VPN
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