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Posted by mfiguiere 17 hours ago

GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex(twitter.com)
https://x.com/haider1/status/2073695124220006575, https://xcancel.com/haider1/status/2073695124220006575
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bestony 5 hours ago|
Competition is still needed to allow us users to make better use of these good models.
xcjsam 15 hours ago||
Will it have similar limited access like Fable? It is an interesting timeline, as general access for Fable (without using extra credits) is coming to an end :(
imhoguy 12 hours ago|
It is like with drug dealers, you get some free dose, then cheap one, then you pay an arm and a leg.

Somebody has to finaly pay for these heaps of accelerator hardware.

asn0 16 hours ago||
The full conversation https://xcancel.com/haider1/status/2073695124220006575#m
asn0 14 hours ago||
Here's the correct link, not sure what happened with that first one https://xcancel.com/thsottiaux/status/2073933490513752151
OutOfHere 16 hours ago|||
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Cider9986 16 hours ago|||
https://nitter.net/thsottiaux/status/2073933490513752151
kshri24 15 hours ago||||
Remove the #m at end of the link. That's causing the redirect. Here is a cleaner link: https://xcancel.com/haider1/status/2073695124220006575
OutOfHere 3 hours ago||
I tried that, and no, it didn't help. The problem persists. Even a private window doesn't help. I suspect Firefox is just shitlisted by them.
kzrdude 5 hours ago||||
xcancel has mostly been looping for me too.
timcobb 16 hours ago|||
are you, by any chance, a bot?
kzrdude 5 hours ago|||
Unfortunately, Firefox is often put in the bot bucket nowadays. Not sure what happened here. It might be because of aggressive privacy settings that are flagged as unusual or suspicious.
OutOfHere 15 hours ago|||
Not at all. I was controlling the browser myself as a human, not via any bot.
timcobb 3 hours ago||
Sorry this was a stupid joke
froggertoaster 15 hours ago||
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lern_too_spel 13 hours ago|||
Only children want to read social media threads without logging in?
rolymath 13 hours ago||||
You would be surprised to hear that some of us don't have X because we don't use social media, not for any kind of cultural war you're imagining.
brynnbee 14 hours ago|||
I made (repurposed an existing) an extension for firefox to cancel xcancel: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/xcancel-to-x/
jayzer01 9 hours ago||
Are people excited about the capabilities of 5.6 over competing LLMs?
behnamoh 16 hours ago||
I still don't know why OpenAI doesn't put gpt-5.5-pro in Codex. It's one hell of a model and easily parallels Fable/Mythos. Sure, it'll use up your quota much faster but that's the price some users are willing to pay for absolutely high quality responses.

I think gpt-5.5-pro runs 12x parallel gpt-5.5 agents behind the scene and uses OpenAI's secret sauce to synthesize their answers into one insanely good response.

SwellJoe 15 hours ago||
API pricing ends up being something like 20x more expensive for GPT 5.5 Pro than GPT 5.5 for actual work, even though the token cost is "only" 6x. On benchmarks where I've run both, I saw $1.12 mean per task with 5.5 and nearly $23 per task with 5.5 Pro, I guess it chews longer and harder on the problem.

If that's at all reflective of what it costs them to run it, I imagine they're in the same boat as Anthropic with Fable; they probably can't afford to offer it at subscription prices given current cost to operate it.

If 5.6 Sol Ultra has efficiency improvements (at one or more layers), and it allows OpenAI to offer a model that's competitive with Fable on the subscription plans, I'll guess a lot of folks will switch.

Fable is notably better than what came before. I watched it figure out stuff on its own over and over, on extremely hard problems, that I previously needed to guide a model to an understanding about, or work with them back and forth for several turns to figure it out together. Like, I've been reverse engineering a hardware device lately, and I've tried to tackle it a few times in the past with both some version of GPT and a couple of versions of Opus (most recently 4.7). In all cases, I barely made progress...would have gotten there eventually, probably, as I'm stubborn, but there were roadblocks constantly, with me and the models getting stumped and going around in circles in the end on every prior attempts.

Fable figured out other ways to find out what's happening, it dug into config files, found and extracted Boost-serialized data, compared that data to the observed behavior, built tools to compare the observed data with our emulated behavior, without being prompted. Would I have gotten there? Eventually, maybe. All prior models didn't; they mostly just tried the things I suggested and stopped at "well, that didn't work" or declared success after seeing results that matched their misunderstanding of the problem. I guess it's possible my prior attempts with other models had "loosened the lid" on the problem; we did already have a long list of documented "this didn't work" and a pile of tools for finding out if something worked. But, even so, I was impressed.

There probably will still be a "OK, let's rewrite this so it's not using lookup tables to precisely simulate the hardware behavior in software, because we don't need the noise, too" stage of the process...but, in one day with Fable, it solved a problem that I'd banged on for at least a week or too in the past with very little real progress. I don't think the models write exceedingly good code, even the best ones, but it sure does figure shit out quick.

tekacs 4 hours ago|||
https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/models/gpt-5.5-pro

> GPT-5.5 Pro does not offer a cached input discount.

I think this tells you in one line. It's basically set up for one-shot inference right now, by the looks of things. If you use this in a harness, it would almost immediately fall apart on cost. Not to say that they couldn't make it work, just saying that at least as it's delivered currently, they haven't done so. On the web, there might be doing something to get the equivalent of that behavior internally, such as keeping the session truly alive on GPUs rather than using their external-facing cache-style approach.

agentifysh 14 hours ago|||
many of us and myself have been using chatgpt pro from codex cli for months now

https://github.com/agentify-sh/desktop

shusaku 15 hours ago|||
I recently have been testing ChatGPT business at work and the quota seems to disappear almost instantly even using weaker models. Unless they dramatically increase their quotas it’ll be unusable.
trollbridge 15 hours ago|||
I don’t know how anyone can realistically use the “business” plans - you blow through your quota so quickly. I use a consumer Pro account ($100 a month) and don’t hit the usage limits nearly as quickly. 5.5 Pro is so slow that it’s not a big deal to paste big prompts into it and come back and check on it an hour later.
sissijwnsjjss 13 hours ago|||
My solution for the ones stuck with that: use 5.5 for planning and 5.3-mini for the grunt work. 5.3 is remarkably useful still but you need to hold its hand.
sissijwnsjjss 8 hours ago||
I actually meant 5.4-mini..
aetherspawn 16 hours ago||
Is it as good as Fable..? Fable is the first model that mostly writes without the AI slop format for me, and so I can comfortably actually copy and paste most of what it spits out.

OpenAI models have always been the worst in my experience for verbose, slop formatted responses, with each generation increasing in sloppiness.

_zoltan_ 7 hours ago|||
Copy and paste...? In mid-2026? Why on earth would you copy and paste code instead of having the cli tool to the coding end to end?

I haven't opened an IDE in 8 months or so and have no plans to go back.

behnamoh 16 hours ago|||
> Fable is the first model that mostly writes without the AI slop format for me

I'm not that impressed by Fable's writing to be honest, still has the AI giveaways like em dash.

InsideOutSanta 13 hours ago|||
The em-dash is not a "AI giveaway", it's just correct writing. Actual AI giveaways are in the writing style itself.
hn_user2 16 hours ago||||
Humans use em dash as well.

I hate that I have had to remove it from my writing style because people assume it’s AI generated. But I think that ship has sailed. I’ll have to do without now.

breezybottom 15 hours ago|||
Parentheses usually read better anyway.
CuriouslyC 7 hours ago||
Parens are ok for short asides (like this) but unreadable for longer asides and not usable for compound sentences like the emdash. Unfortunately, neither ellipses nor semicolons can exactly replace the compounding ability of the emdash, I find the best option without it is often to just split a sentence in two.
jona-f 14 hours ago|||
How do you type the em dash. I thought the point about the em dash "—" is, that it is longer than the normal minus "-". Humans normally have no way to produce it, cause there is no key on the keyboard.
timbeccue 14 hours ago|||
Macos, ios, google docs, and microsoft word will autocorrect two hyphens to an em dash, which is how I normally type it. On a mac you can also type an em dash with option-shift-hyphen.
Metricon 14 hours ago||||
Many word processors (Microsoft Word, LibreOffice Writer, etc.) and some online editors will auto convert double hyphens "--" as they are typed into an em dash.
aenis 12 hours ago||||
Some text editors replace the -- (two separate dashes) with a proper em-dash. Literate people - who understand why em dash exists - have been using it all the time. Thats, after all, how the models learned to use it.
normis 14 hours ago||||
At least in macOS there is a key for that on the keyboard, Shift + Option + Hyphen (-). This information is a quick internet search away.
xoxolian 14 hours ago||||
Being Hacker News, a lot of us use programmable IDEs & keyboards. I added em dash support to both Emacs and Dygma keyboard.
oneshtein 9 hours ago||||
OMG — I'm a robot.
icelancer 14 hours ago|||
dash dash "--" on a lot of systems and word processors turns it into the em-dash automatically
dionian 16 hours ago|||
i cant reply to hn_user2, but i have the same experience, i find myself never using emdash where i would have before
jona-f 14 hours ago||
Why can't you reply to hn_user2? I just did. Did you say something mean to hn_user2 and now you have a restraining order and can't go near them within one reply?
ChrisArchitect 16 hours ago||
Related:

Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48689028

patentlyze 12 hours ago||
Nice! It never made sense to me that Pro Extended wasn't in the Codex app.
cresting 10 hours ago||
Which will be the uses cases for this model?
silversurfer863 8 hours ago||
can't wait. been maxing Fable out, if Sol Ultra turns out to be as good and in Codex - that's a paradigm shift
timcobb 16 hours ago|
when will it be available? do we know? I don't have X, not sure if the thread mentions it.
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