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Posted by citelao 3 hours ago

Car touchscreens are cheap, not good(ben.stolovitz.com)
74 points | 97 commentspage 2
proee 2 hours ago|
For touchscreens, I think there is an opportunity to make larger touch targets. For example, when you want to adjust HVAC controls, the UI should take over the ENTIRE screen with ridiculously huge targets. Something in the range of 1-4 square inches in size for a core button should allow your for reduced cognitive overhead. This is critical for safe driving.
urbsgpw 2 hours ago||
I gotta say, the one redeeming feature of Ferrari Luce, for me at least, was the interior. I don't dislike screens, I just hate the tesla-esque obsession (where, for them with FSD - for all the hate they get about it up here - it might actually make sense since u are gonna have a FSD+Grok car) with no buttons. I know buttons add cost, but going back to the Luce example again: you have a healthy sized screen (so u don't go to the pre-tesla days), but you also have wonderful buttons across the board.

Now, I know it's not a very representative car. But nobody said the buttons need to be as flashy or as numerous.

wilg 2 hours ago|
Tesla arguably has better, more useful, and more obvious physical buttons than most cars. Most car manufacturers spray confusing physical buttons everywhere with esoteric icons and insane UX. Everything you'd want to do as a driver in a Tesla has a physical button or a set it and forget it "auto" mode.
urbsgpw 1 hour ago|||
Uhm, I like Teslas a lot. The design and the philosophy of just minimizing the amount of components. But where I would draw the line is AC via touch screen (again, if Grok can now do it reliably, fine, otherwise, buttons please). Also, depending on the model, I know some models had turn signals in some weird places (above the head? or am I hallucinating?). Also to make your point: if it hadnt been for carplay and its android equivalent, legacy auto would have been cooked long ago. I never use my VW native apps.

My point being, I think we havent found the sweet spot yet.

estearum 2 hours ago|||
That's why Lyft/Uber drivers who use Teslas need to cover them in stickers explaining how to do such esoteric behaviors as "open door"
kube-system 1 hour ago||
> In contrast, touchscreens are, quite literally, free. All US cars have screens, since rear-view cameras have been mandatory here since 2018, and most of those will be touchscreens

Not quite true because automakers can satisfy the rear-view camera requirement with very cheap screens, e.g. integrated into the rear view mirror.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/83QAAeSwizNpjhlB/s-l400.webp

AceJohnny2 1 hour ago||
I want to cheer (again) for my 2020 Ford Escape. Its infotainment design was a significant differentiator that led to my selection after testing a dozen different models across all US manufacturers.

It has Carplay/Android Auto, naturally, but it also has physical buttons for play/pause/previous/next and volume, and physical buttons for A/C control. All buttons have fixed purpose, they don't change depending on whatever mode something is.

It is an ideal amount of buttons compared to, say, the Honda CRV or Toyota RAV4 at the time that had extra buttons around the screen for flexible purposes.

I hear the Escape was actually designed for the European market (as the Kuga), which may explain its design sensibility.

Unfortunately, the Escape has not been a roaring success, and Ford will discontinue it in the US market in favor of the Bronco Sport which has, you guessed it, a huge touchscreen and few physical buttons.

kube-system 1 hour ago||
My biggest issue with touchscreen controls is that they are not ergonomic.

1. Usually they are high on the dash, higher than where conventional controls would be

2. You cannot rest your hand on the surrounding panel to press them, because this will cause unintentional presses on other buttons

Resulting in two problems:

1. Because of the above, you must activate more muscles to steady your hand and arm in a moving car to accurately press them. This is less comfortable and leads to frustrating misclicks

2. This increases the amount of time required to use the controls, which is annoying for infotainment, but dangerous for anything safety related

ninalanyon 1 hour ago|
Neither of those are a problem in my 2015 Tesla Model S for the buttons that control the climate control or media player.

It seems to me that many of the problems that people report related to touch controls are more to do with how they are laid out than the fact that they are touch controls.

kube-system 1 hour ago||
They're at the bottom of a portrait screen (and IIRC there's a bit of a bezel to rest your hand on), which makes it a little better.

Floating screens make this harder, especially as they get larger and further from the driver

Tesla has also been guilty of some particularly awful designs on later models, like requiring the driver to navigate to a submenu to turn on the wipers (which I know they changed in an update, but still should have never done to begin with)

4fterd4rk 1 hour ago||
The anti-screen crowd vastly overestimates people's competence with buttons. "You can hit them without taking your eyes off the road!" Please observe the typical driver as they attempt to change their climate control settings and report back.
wvenable 1 hour ago|
Wait till have they have to swipe up from the bottom of a touchscreen to do the same thing. In many ways, it's all the same buttons with the same icons but now they're inside of menus!
max8539 1 hour ago||
Not sure why the command knob in Mazda scares new users: it’s an option and you still could use the touch screen, it’s just a nice alternative for it… Absolutely love the command knob, so much better than using the touch screen
wvenable 1 hour ago|
You cannot touch the touch screen on a Mazda with the commander nob unless you're in Carplay/Android Auto and only if you've found the buried setting to enable it.

It is not an alternative for touch screen, it replaces it.

t1234s 1 hour ago||
I think its easier to develop muscle memory to certain buttons. For instance I had a similar 1DIN head unit to the one pictured in the article. I never needed to look at it to operate it.
scottyah 1 hour ago|
On my last button car, I could control volume and turning on/off the radio without looking, but that was it. With the touchscreen, I do have to glance away but am way faster to get back looking at the road. Most things I just don't need to fiddle with anymore, before I'd need to redirect 3 fans, change a dial to put AC mode on/off, another two sliders to make driver and passenger the same (desired) temp (more or less- would have to change later), etc. Now I just adjust one smart "auto mode" a couple degree depending on what I feel like, then can get more granular in controls if I want in two taps.

With voice control I never have to take my eyes off the road at all.

helterskelter 2 hours ago||
There was a study from a few years ago that associated almost all increase in traffic deaths in the past decade or so with in car displays. Almost all deaths were pedestrians being struck at or after twilight. The thinking is that infotainment systems are making drivers take their eyes off the road to adjust anything in their vehicles, and also ruining their nightvision. Not sure how they were able to separate this from smartphones.
scottyah 1 hour ago|
Adjusting radios was the biggest cause of traffic incidents for a long time. IMO the super bright LED headlights from other vehicles is the worst thing for night vision.
deuplonicus 2 hours ago|
As an engineer in R&D, I've always known if I needed a cheap but amazing part, to look at automotive replacements from third parties for parts to build an MVP with.

Those rear hatch motors are amazing and most have indexing.

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