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Posted by bauc 4 hours ago

Microsoft fire idTech team at Id software(gamefromscratch.com)
382 points | 381 commentspage 3
CuriouslyC 3 hours ago|
Game devs have been heavily unionizing lately, including Blizzard and WotC. I wonder how long long it takes before we have a union game dev studio basically mutiny and completely disregard the instructions of the corporate suits, and force the choice of either shuttering the studio completely or caving to the workers.
jasonlotito 3 hours ago|
Yesterday.

"In France, Arkane's management is beginning required consultation with its Works Council to review potential strategic options."

georgemcbay 3 hours ago||
Remember when Satya Nadella and Bobby Kotick got up in court and told everyone how all these giant Xbox mergers would be good for the consumer and went after Lina Khan for suggesting that maybe that wasn't the case?

Who woulda thunk they were full of crap...? (besides everyone who didn't have a financial stake in the deal)

storus 1 hour ago||
One could have anticipated XBox getting slowly destroyed by appointing a young clueless outsider as its boss.
aquova 1 hour ago|
I think this is more discovering the rot left from the previous leadership who sat around for years and years on their bad decisions, and then using the young clueless outsider as the face.
officeplant 2 hours ago||
Rip one of modern gamings best performing engines on older hardware (going by my experiences)

Can't wait for more terrible UE5 games.

stego-tech 2 hours ago||
This hurts, in a very specific way. Those coders are legendary wizards of the craft, understanding engine design and systems architecture in a way nobody else in the industry does. This is a team that could get 200fps+ in their games with RT on and no dynamic reconstruction or upscaling to be had, at a time when everyone else mandated such shortcuts to have even 30-45fps at a similar resolution. They did all this while also working closely with the actual game designers, to make sure the tech was usable instead of obfuscatory or hindering to production.

The fact Microsoft just fired them all, at a time when their remaining studios desperately need help with their aging, shitty engines? I can’t think of a better indicator that they haven’t a fucking clue about what they’re doing, here.

ironman1478 13 minutes ago|
Just to play devils advocate, was all of that worth it? There are equally fun or more fun indie games that don't have great graphics, but the gameplay is astounding. DUSK is an example of this.

I love that these teams are pushing boundaries of technology, but it also points to an issue with modern game AAA development. It's expensive to make these beautiful games and it's not like they are more enjoyable than games made cheaper.

Cort3z 3 hours ago||
Don’t sell you company to Microsoft then
epolanski 2 hours ago|
AB was publicly traded and the majority of shareholders voted yes.
0xWTF 3 hours ago||
Interestingly, Id was led by John Carmack, who was also a big fan of VR. And Microsoft killed the AR/VR/MR teams a year ago.

So, I'm guessing internally there were some leadership hopes that IdTech would help support IVAS and related professional AR systems and when those failed to be adopted at scale, IdTech lost a key sponsor. I'm guessing it's been a rough year of internal advocacy since.

DarkNova6 3 hours ago||
Carmack left id waaay before Microsoft has acquired id (transitively by acquiring Zenimax/Bethesda)
bathtub365 3 hours ago|||
Carmack hasn’t worked at id for 13 years
bcjdjsndon 3 hours ago||
Carmack had left id by the time he got into vr/at, iirc they snagged him from a rocket company?
azornathogron 2 hours ago||
Armadillo Aerospace was Carmack's own rocket company.

And tbh I'm not sure it was ever a plausible contender for commercial success, more like Carmack wanted to play with rockets. But that might be unfair; I would happily accept a correction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo_Aerospace

delduca 4 hours ago||
Next: Blizzard
datakan 4 hours ago||
Considering how bad Blizzard has gotten the last 10 or so years, I would expect a bloodbath there. I don't know how they avoid it.
lenerdenator 3 hours ago|||
Blizzard's golden goose is WoW, and WoW is an ideal IP for a software company: you have people who have been playing it for two decades who will continue to pay a subscription no matter what. The hard work was done decades ago. id, on the other hand, has to keep making better and better new games every couple of years, and each one is a risk.

There's a reason game companies want to move towards the digital-only subscription model, and Xbox has been going that way for some time. As "bad" as Blizzard is, it's got the right model. That's what they care about, not about workplace culture or innovation.

tyfon 1 hour ago||
For me they are killing the goose.

WoW has become quite soulless after the changes where everyone gets the same end game equipment but you have to grind upgrade currency to improve it.

My wife and I used to play quite a bit but it doesn't really engage anymore. Perhaps we are getting too old, but we should be in the correct customer segment (mid 40 years old).

Now I have spun up a local wotlk server with player bots powered by ollama which is actually a bit fun again.

kcb 3 hours ago|||
Why? What unsuccessful game does Blizzard have?
datakan 2 hours ago||
All of them. Diablo is dead. They can't capitalize on StarCraft. All they have left with WoW is micro transactions for old users. Overwatch has been a disaster for years. Blizzard hasn't had a win in a very long time.
crims0n 1 hour ago|||
Diablo is currently in a bit of a resurgence, the latest expansion was quite good.
datakan 9 minutes ago||
I'm sure both players love it
anthonypasq 2 hours ago|||
lol
Someone1234 4 hours ago|||
Blizzard is such a shell now, that I doubt we'd notice.
CuriouslyC 3 hours ago||
A big chunks of Blizzard has already pre-emptively unionized for this exact reason.
oreally 3 hours ago|||
I think it's their first big test of a layoff? Am interested to see how this plays out.

In any case, WoW has been stagnating for quite some time even before the merger. The devs act as though everything is slow because it needs to be. Classic+ could've been much better.

xienze 3 hours ago|||
Do you think having a union means the entire organization can't get shitcanned? Ask all those auto workers whose jobs got shipped to Mexico over the years how much being unionized helped.
neko_ranger 2 hours ago||
Either John or John should buy back the Id Software name
markus_zhang 2 hours ago|
I don’t think they are interested or have the $$$. It probably worths like a billion?
sowbug 51 minutes ago||
Probably a good way to become a millionaire, in the Branson sense of the word.
moogly 3 hours ago|
On the same day they release the new Dark Ages DLC. The game industry continues to be brutal.
hbn 1 hour ago|
DOOM was always intended to be brutal, but not like this
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