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Posted by mcgin 21 hours ago

The lost joy of music piracy(www.pigeonsandplanes.com)
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inigyou 10 hours ago|
A successor site exists. It's called [REDACTED].
pimeys 4 hours ago|
Ty
Aeolun 10 hours ago||
My music piracy has been buying a casette recorder and recording anything I want from the aux port of my PC. It’s been fantastic.
semiquaver 16 hours ago||
Soulseek is still going strong :)
pbasista 18 hours ago||
If I was a musician and produced music nowadays, I would not induce regular copyright rights on it. Because, in my opinion, it makes no practical sense. It mostly alienates the users.

I would put the uncompressed flac files of my music directly on my website for everyone to download.

That does not mean that I would not be interested in getting paid. But I would approach it differently. I would charge for broadcasting it on YouTube or Spotify. Or for playing it in venues.

But I would not charge a regular Joe for it. They would be free to download it, play it and redistribute it in any noncommercial way they see fit.

The most important part is this. I would encourage the "buy after you like" model. Everyone is free to listen. And who likes what they hear, is welcome to buy it.

In my opinion, many small bands and solo musicians would benefit from that model. And I think it would also create some goodwill among their fans.

It also would not shut down the mainstream delivery channels. So if someone still wanted to listen to it over Spotify and pay for it that way, they would still be able to do so.

everyday7732 15 hours ago||
So long as you don't try to go without any kind of copyright. I've heard stories of people releasing their music for free with no copyright only for somebody to download it, register it as THEIR copyright, and then sell it on all the platforms and even send a copyright takedown notice to the original creator.

Better to protect yourself by registering it under creative commons or a similar licence.

pbasista 15 hours ago||
Of course, the music should still be protected against the commercial use or reselling.
caporaltito 17 hours ago|||
Well. This is what Soundcloud or Bandcamp do. The problem is that: if it's for free, 99% of people won't pay.
pbasista 15 hours ago|||
The users usually not paying is a problem introduced by those platforms, in my opinion. They make the entire experience too generic for the regular users to care.

It seems to me that the bands or musicians should distribute their music via their own websites. I think that then the users would care much more.

caporaltito 14 hours ago||
You're absolutely right
input_sh 17 hours ago||
Add a download gate to the mix, remove the optional payment (I promise you nobody's gonna do that) and you're basically describing https://hypeddit.com/.

Instead of paying to download music, the users "pays" by following you across social media / streaming services. Granted it's mostly used for copyright-violating edits, but some musicians use it for original tracks too.

It's how basically any electronic music producer makes a name for himself before they ever sign a contract with a label.

pbasista 15 hours ago||
No. No restrictions should be put on downloads. The main point is that the distribution channels should always be free.

What should be gated and limited is the commercial use: reselling, relicensing, using for business, etc.

> the optional payment (I promise you nobody's gonna do that)

Such "promises" seem to be based on no facts. Moreover, they contradict my personal experience.

I would be very interested in using that business model. In fact, I have already used it with other types of services. I have paid for software that is open source, free to download and free to use. Multiple times. Simply because I like the software and I wanted to thank the authors for it in some tangible way.

delduca 15 hours ago||
I’ve stopped to use streaming at the moment they started to remove content, also, I have a very peculiar taste for music, which makes impossible to find it on streaming (when it is available I buy it, when not… Torrent)
whatcd 5 hours ago||
Oink.me.uk, What.CD, and waffles.fm were amazing

RIP

meindnoch 8 hours ago||
Lost? It's as alive as ever, if you're in the right circles.
userbinator 20 hours ago||
I would not be surprised if all of this content has now found its way into some music generation AI.
whacked_new 18 hours ago|||
I'm convinced this is true, and think music piracy in the classical sense will be mostly dead in the near future, thanks to AI, which already absorbed most of the pirating and has token-tumbled all the elements so that what most people listen to is already generated from the pirated elements
detrapdoor 19 hours ago|||
https://gizmodo.com/ai-music-app-suno-got-hacked-giving-a-gl...
Cthulhu_ 19 hours ago||
Yeah at one point I lamented the loss of these huge and rare music libraries. Now they've been fed to the machine.
raydev 5 hours ago||
Not really the point of the article but the praise for NIN participating in the culture bothers me, because in the late 90s one could visit nineinchnails.net and just straight up download decent quality MP3s (and some MP2s!!) of the entire NIN discog, until one day (I think in 1999? 2000?) they removed all the tracks. :(

Of course, my bother is rooted in my little unemployed unmoneyed 13 year old self who didn't have access to NIN CDs at the time, but did have access to my friend's internet when I visited his house.

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