Posted by sbochins 10 hours ago
For example, Kimi 2.7 has been really effective for me despite having verbose thinking blocks, simply because it runs so fast. Speed-wise, it feels about like Sonnet, possibly faster.
That may have been closer to reality 10-20 years ago, China is a different country now, what I mean by that is they offer research funding, they have huge digital behemoths (alibaba, tencent, huawei, bytedance etc), large scale deployment opportunities and prestigious careers. Many graduates return because the opportunity set is attractive and they want to return, it's not just because US immigration policy pushed them out. Some also want to contribute to their own country's technological progress (which is a normal motivation btw), like probably you are also a patriot and want your country to succeed.
So, really, China's AI progress is not mainly the result of America failing to absorb every talented Chinese researcher. China has built a domestic ecosystem capable of producing and keeping top talent itself. I feel like a lot of Americans do not understand this.
[1] https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-02-21/why-ch...
[2] https://www.wsj.com/world/china/americas-allure-fades-in-chi...
[3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/06/chinese-studen...
US immigration policy may be unnecessarily pushing away talent but the assumption that talented Chinese researchers would naturally remain in America unless prevented from doing so ignores the growth of Chinese universities/labs, companies, their funding, national prestige etc.
I mean, don't get me wrong, US is still highly attractive, it is just no longer the only place where an ambitious Chinese researcher can do important work and grow.
US immigration policy isn't a big factor.
China's got 1.8B people. If you don't think they've got the talent to pull this off, even if a lot of it leaves to live elsewhere, you're naive.
No one uses Baidu, but they built their own Google, and it's good.
They built their own Facebooks and Instagrams.
The US isn't the only place in the world where people can build software...
20k O-1 visas were issued last FY which was mostly under the Trump admin, up from 19.5k the previous FY under the Biden admin
When people demonstrate their capability thoroughly, the Chinese government takes away their passports. You’re not exactly going to get them here with an O-1.
Basically of all visas O-1 is virtually guaranteed to have highly positive economic value
- china’s homegrown tech industries already achieved escape velocity from it a long time ago, after China fenced off its market for Alibaba and Baidu in the ‘00s. some of their AI innovation at the edges was already top class 10 years ago
Can’t use for commercial purposes. Can’t opt out of training. Data retained.
"Can't use for commercial purposes" - incorrect AFAICT. In what sense do you mean this? The open weight MIT version obviously allows for commercial use, but I don't think that's what you're referring to, because training data is irrelevant on the open weight version. Pretty sure the API allows commercial use too. Maybe the free version doesn't? But who cares?
Is anyone using open source models for anything major ?