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Posted by theanonymousone 6 hours ago

Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI(www.politico.com)
https://littletech.org/

https://static.politico.com/4a/bf/9c4021d8404386b0a311dcccf0...

570 points | 539 commentspage 3
mark_l_watson 2 hours ago|
Why? The current administration is doing such a fine job protecting the investments of a few hundred wealthy people, and not caring about the economy of the country.

The combination of a wide range of model sizes and capabilities, with good engineering choices as which to use for what applications, that is the way.

aslkalska 6 hours ago||
side note : I wish they had an actual link to the companies instead of just their names in https://littletech.org/membership
giancarlostoro 6 hours ago||
I think this would be foolish, a more sound strategy is to focus on critical infrastructure and defense not using models that are "open" but they're really just binary blobs. We have models here in the states like OLMo that could receive more investing to attempt to bring them up to par with some of the frontier open-weight models, removing a lot of these concerns.
leni536 3 hours ago||
English is not my first language, but to me the construct "to urge not to do something" in the title feels off. I think I only saw it without the negative, with some implied urgency... And now that I spelled it out, "urge" and "urgent" are probably related.
firefoxd 3 hours ago||
Note that a ban doesn't mean you can't download it anymore. Just that if you do so it will be considered illegal.

A competitor can simply accuse you of using a chinese model and throw you completely off rails with an investigation. Or when the government can't get a valid search warrant for a separate crime, they can get you on suspicion if using a chinese model.

a_paddy 4 hours ago||
Didn't Hugging Face have to resort to the Chinese open weight GLM model to figure out that an OpenAI was hacking it?
comrade1234 3 hours ago||
Will I get my $1.90 back from deepseek? I put $2.00 on my account a couple of months ago and it's taken me this long to use $0.10 worth of tokens.
johnnyApplePRNG 4 hours ago||
America seems to be heavily invested in making the entire population as dumb as rocks so this aligns with everything I'd assume from America and the current administration in general tbh.

Not sure why this is even news.

The man in charge literally hates intellects.

buzzerbetrayed 3 hours ago|
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esposm03 3 hours ago|||
> Be kind.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

lovich 3 hours ago||||
They attacked our premier universities and think climate change isn’t real or worse “woke”.

Hell, he put RFK junior in charge of healthcare and he’s just completely anti science in favor of his various lunacies.

If you have opinions on these topics and need evidence spoon fed to you after the past year and a half activity then I assume you’re commenting in bad faith and just here to back up your king.

LatencyKills 3 hours ago|||
> 54% of adults have a literacy below a 6th-grade level [0]

Trump has been openly anti-education since the 1990s. My favorite Trump quote: “I love the poorly educated.”

[0]: https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/2024-2025-liter...

andsoitis 3 hours ago||
Why isn’t there a competitive US or European open weights model?
frollogaston 2 hours ago||
The Chinese open weights models are copies of the American closed ones. Nobody in the US is trying to do that, I guess.
adrian_b 35 minutes ago|||
They cannot be copies, because all of them have different structures, which are explained in published research papers, while nobody knows the structure of the American SOTA models.

It is also impossible for China to have accessed the hundreds or thousands of terabytes of data that must have been hoarded by OpenAI, Anthropic or Google, so the Chinese must have gathered training data sets by themselves, by crawling the Internet and using pirate libraries, the same like Anthropic and OpenAI.

If the American allegations were true, then some Chinese companies might have extracted some blackbox data about the American models, by API querying, in an amount small enough that it could be used only for the post-training of a model created independently.

Such an information extraction is a breach of contract, but it cannot be called "copying", because it can be only an infinitesimal fraction of the information stored in a SOTA LLM.

andsoitis 1 hour ago|||
> Nobody in the US is trying to do that, I guess.

Yes, but WHY, I wonder.

Seems like a business opportunity.

cookiengineer 2 hours ago||
Europe is actually catching up right now. Not at the frontier like kimi and qwen 3.6 (yet) but it's just a matter of time until the European A3B models catch up, too.

Apertus and Soofi, both open source (not only open weight) models:

[1] https://apertus.ai/en/apps/apertus-model/

[2] https://www.soofi.info/

tencentshill 6 hours ago|
We must all hoard all available models before they get taken down. Is anyone archiving huggingface?
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cayley_graph 5 hours ago||
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yes and its faster than new reddit and written in rust too btw

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pchew 5 hours ago|||
You can just remove the “old.” And view it on the JS invested “New Reddit” without logging in.
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