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Posted by theanonymousone 7 hours ago

Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI(www.politico.com)
https://littletech.org/

https://static.politico.com/4a/bf/9c4021d8404386b0a311dcccf0...

606 points | 576 commentspage 4
tencentshill 7 hours ago|
We must all hoard all available models before they get taken down. Is anyone archiving huggingface?
throwa356262 7 hours ago|
Post this to

https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder

cayley_graph 6 hours ago||
Login-walled for me. Is there a Reddit proxy like Nitter?
troybetz 5 hours ago|||
yes and its faster than new reddit and written in rust too btw

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Instances:

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culi 5 hours ago||
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pchew 6 hours ago|||
You can just remove the “old.” And view it on the JS invested “New Reddit” without logging in.
gverrilla 1 hour ago||
Comrade Jianguo
johnnyApplePRNG 4 hours ago||
America seems to be heavily invested in making the entire population as dumb as rocks so this aligns with everything I'd assume from America and the current administration in general tbh.

Not sure why this is even news.

The man in charge literally hates intellects.

buzzerbetrayed 4 hours ago|
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esposm03 4 hours ago|||
> Be kind.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

lovich 4 hours ago||||
They attacked our premier universities and think climate change isn’t real or worse “woke”.

Hell, he put RFK junior in charge of healthcare and he’s just completely anti science in favor of his various lunacies.

If you have opinions on these topics and need evidence spoon fed to you after the past year and a half activity then I assume you’re commenting in bad faith and just here to back up your king.

LatencyKills 4 hours ago|||
> 54% of adults have a literacy below a 6th-grade level [0]

Trump has been openly anti-education since the 1990s. My favorite Trump quote: “I love the poorly educated.”

[0]: https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/2024-2025-liter...

officialchicken 6 hours ago||
Why jump to complex technical and policy solutions when an Open Weights AI champion trophy, in solid gold, is being requested by the Commander in Thief?
comrade1234 3 hours ago||
Will I get my $1.90 back from deepseek? I put $2.00 on my account a couple of months ago and it's taken me this long to use $0.10 worth of tokens.
andsoitis 4 hours ago||
Why isn’t there a competitive US or European open weights model?
frollogaston 2 hours ago||
The Chinese open weights models are copies of the American closed ones. Nobody in the US is trying to do that, I guess.
adrian_b 1 hour ago|||
They cannot be copies, because all of them have different structures, which are explained in published research papers, while nobody knows the structure of the American SOTA models.

It is also impossible for China to have accessed the hundreds or thousands of terabytes of data that must have been hoarded by OpenAI, Anthropic or Google, so the Chinese must have gathered training data sets by themselves, by crawling the Internet and using pirate libraries, the same like Anthropic and OpenAI.

If the American allegations were true, then some Chinese companies might have extracted some blackbox data about the American models, by API querying, in an amount small enough that it could be used only for the post-training of a model created independently.

Such an information extraction is a breach of contract, but it cannot be called "copying", because it can be only an infinitesimal fraction of the information stored in a SOTA LLM.

andsoitis 2 hours ago|||
> Nobody in the US is trying to do that, I guess.

Yes, but WHY, I wonder.

Seems like a business opportunity.

cookiengineer 2 hours ago||
Europe is actually catching up right now. Not at the frontier like kimi and qwen 3.6 (yet) but it's just a matter of time until the European A3B models catch up, too.

Apertus and Soofi, both open source (not only open weight) models:

[1] https://apertus.ai/en/apps/apertus-model/

[2] https://www.soofi.info/

jmtrevarton 5 hours ago||
Does this include Deepseek? I don't know if that would crush me, but it would definitely hurt.
culi 5 hours ago||
If there's a "ban", it'd only really affect corporations right? It'd be difficult to stop indie devs and pirates from downloading the models
willmadden 4 hours ago|
They'll do the "tornado cash under Biden" routine most likely.
anonbuddy 6 hours ago||
this would actually be big win for non US founders
curious_cat_163 6 hours ago|
exactly. a ban or even any restriction that is "fixed" in time is a bad idea.

The frontier is evolving so fast: any regulatory regime that started with a map of capabilities that 2025 frontier had is obsolete. Same would be true next year. This just becomes a whackamole and a government which is well-meaning and has good reasons to regulate, will have trouble keeping up.

But we know this about regulations. Like there is a century of literature on how to do this for new tech. It always targets harm prevention first. I thought Demis had the right framework for that part. I don't know if I agree fully with a self-regulatory regime because can become problematic if you don't have the right people around the table.

rustcleaner 4 hours ago|
Can't stop the bittorrent, won't stop the bittorrent!

There's also I2PSnark, Hyphanet, and others!

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