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Posted by louiereederson 7 hours ago

Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models(www.cnbc.com)
Letter: https://images.nvidia.com/pdf/Open-Weights-and-American-AI-L... [pdf]

https://x.com/JensenHuang/status/2080643682408321103, https://xcancel.com/JensenHuang/status/2080643682408321103

https://www.wired.com/story/silicon-valley-is-completely-div..., https://archive.ph/LAkVI

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fcq 3 hours ago|
Hopefully something good comes from this... But I certainly don't see the big players caving in: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47929951>

The Chinese open models are way ahead, not by how capable they are compared to frontier models, but on how they project to the world and how they improve over time.

lardosaurusrex 2 hours ago||
"the companies with the most to lose saw which way the wind was blowing and switched sides" mightve been an apt title.
ronbenton 1 hour ago||
So the people lagging in the commercial model game are issuing this warning? Got it.
naveen99 2 hours ago||
Would be nice to see standardized open weight classes: 12B, 24B, 48B… Who can make the best open model in each weight class.
mft_ 1 hour ago|
…and with the size of each class determined by common target memory sizes i.e. 32GB or 64GB or 128 GB minus cache and a little overhead
scronkfinkle 2 hours ago||
I don't feel it's meaningful to berate the point anymore about the hypocrisy of the American labs. Now as the sentiment and effort from them to push for regulation increases so does my perception of how pathetic they are behaving. I'm not sure how else to say it other than that it's honestly just embarrassing to watch China and others run circles around us in the USA.
lenerdenator 50 minutes ago|
> I'm not sure how else to say it other than that it's honestly just embarrassing to watch China and others run circles around us in the USA.

The gap is shrinking, but considering their models still lag our frontier, I wouldn't say they "run circles" around us.

pietz 1 hour ago||
Companies that are hurt by open weight models fight against them. Companies that benefit from open weight models fight overregulation. Color me surprised.
apurvak 4 hours ago||
I wonder why Apple stayed absent from signing this?
plutomeetsyou 2 hours ago||
This would support the hypothesis that they are incentivized as compute providers and not simply because they're losing the frontier llm race
urbsgpw 1 hour ago|||
Maybe less shocking, but still, so is google. I know they are one of the labs, but that being said they rely far less on gemini for revenue as opposed to the big 2.
xpct 1 hour ago||
I think Google can play both sides here: they may end up a frontier lab if OpenAI/Anthropic dissolve, or a regular LLM provider, in which case they could be serving open models.
cheschire 2 hours ago|||
I wonder if it has anything to do with Apple’s legal case against OAI.
Barrin92 57 minutes ago|||
I think if anyone at Apple signs a plea that has the word 'open' in it they spontaneously combust into flames
CamperBob2 2 hours ago|||
If it doesn't involve a walled garden subject to Apple's domination and control, it's not an Apple product.
bigyabai 3 hours ago||
Apple is allergic to industry-spanning consortiums.
sweetheart 6 hours ago||
It makes a ton of sense to see this sort of joint effort being made by these enormous companies, but man, there's some part of me that can't help but feel grossed out knowing the best way to get the US to make the right choice is to have a handful of elite business people say it'd be bad for them.
voidhorse 6 hours ago|
Yeah, this letter is just proof of (the by now long standing fact) of corporate power/corporate capture of American governance. Tons of popular protests against big AI? Makes no difference. Joint corporate letter about big AI? Possibly the government will do something.
ryandrake 5 hours ago|||
People unfortunately keep voting for “corporate power” politicians, so corporations continue to be in charge.
SpicyLemonZest 1 hour ago|||
If you support the ideas described in Nvidia's letter, you're going against popular opinion. Most Americans do not want to "make advanced AI more accessible, adaptable, and widely available". Indeed, many areas of the country including the entire state of New York have enacted datacenter moratoriums, responding to the widespread public concern that we can't have too much AI or it'll drink all our water.
0xc0c0c0 3 hours ago|
I thought it would've made a lot of sense for Apple to be on this list as well.
himata4113 3 hours ago||
Apple would be rather unaffected since they already signed a deal with Google/Gemini.
bigyabai 3 hours ago||
Because their long-term goal is to make AI a walled garden subscription.
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