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Posted by mlenhard 7 hours ago

The relay market powering token resellers and fraud(vectoral.com)
128 points | 67 commentspage 2
3eb7988a1663 2 hours ago|
How do you know the reseller is even giving you the genuine article? Could they be advertising Fable but repacking Deepseek?
hn8726 1 hour ago|
About the same way you'd know Anthropic is getting you the model you picked. Which to me is not really obvious, given clear differences in quality throughout the day and month
boznz 2 hours ago||
The relays sound also like a nice source of monitoring for whoever controls them.
faeyanpiraat 1 hour ago|
Its so much stuff going through them, how would they monitor it all?
bg24 5 hours ago||
Nice research and structuring into 4-tier layer. For providers like Anthropic and OpenAI, subscription is the entry point for all these, right? Besides the measures proposed in the article, can token usage % determine these clusters of accounts?
jfim 5 hours ago|
There are probably various metrics like language used to prompt the model, number of hours per day spent prompting, and many others.

There are quite a few other mitigations that could be done by providers that aren't mentioned in the article.

cobzilla 4 hours ago||
This article is about the mechanics, but the title implies this is unethical. Why is this practice considered unethical?
faeyanpiraat 1 hour ago|
Is it ethical?
rustyhancock 3 hours ago||
Aren't these figures the wrong way around

"$0.13 of usage per $1 spent"

So I spend a dollar and I get 13 cents worth of usage?

I guess it means the otherway around but I'm not seeing how that phrasing works. Are they paying a premium to access US models?

lmf4lol 6 hours ago||
thats one of the reasons why we vest any of our new customers. We need to know you before you are allowed to use our agent system. When you have an open sign up with some free credits, all hell breaks loose.
hsienchuc 6 hours ago||
I use both of subscription and API services. on last month, i chat with CLI and let it to do something. After that, maybe in one days pass, i received the $32 USD bill. it cause my left my API key and CLI call the API to do job not through subscription.
iririririr 3 hours ago||
wow. Ai providers can't solve fraud 101 with their oh-so-dangerous-if-released-models?

i think this alone is the biggest bear signal

mito88 5 hours ago||
what tokens are these being sold?
feverzsj 6 hours ago|
Token is the new cryptocurrency.
arkhiver 6 hours ago|
token is the new... token!
inigyou 4 hours ago||
You are shadowbanned.
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