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Posted by aemerson_ 1 day ago

Show HN: I spent 2 years designing a mechanical Magic Keyboard(electronicmaterialsoffice.com)
Hi HN, today I’m revealing Altar II, an ultra-low profile (4.75mm) mechanical keyboard designed to replace your Magic Keyboard. It’s the keyboard I wish Apple made.

Altar II has fully mechanical switches, plus a magnetically detachable dial, haptic feedback, a red backlight, and a native macOS companion app.

I’m a heavy Mac user and I feel that Apple hasn’t given its keyboards the attention they deserve, in terms of hardware, software, and features, so I set out to try and change that.

It was a massive undertaking and it has taken almost 2 years to get to this stage. One of the main obstacles was fitting a reasonably sized battery into the chassis, and aggressive power profiling without messing with the user experience. Another issue was we couldn’t fit any components on the underside of the PCB because there was literally no space to do so (and there are a lot of components).

Around 4 years ago I posted my first keyboard to HN (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32507172). Its response blew me away and ultimately led to me quitting my job and making and selling keyboards full time. I’ve taken some of the feedback from that original post and incorporated it into Altar II (e.g. the detachable dial).

I’ll be around to answer any questions. Please let me know what you think, I’d love to get some feedback.

294 points | 238 commentspage 10
tempodox 1 day ago|
OK, I want it, but for Linux.
naikrovek 1 day ago||
Maybe a bit (a lot) overboard with the marketing snazz on this page.

it's a keyboard

It's not a miracle.

If you're going to have all this 3D imagery, put a glTF model viewer on the page, and let me look at it.

though to be told, I definitely want one. low profile keyboards are indeed my jam. I don't know why the hell keyboards need to have batteries though. No one needs a wireless keyboard. Wires are not that much of a pain in the ass. Coiled, self-retracting keyboard cables are a thing. Keyboards do not need to be wireless. Wires are fine, I promise! Wireless mouse? Sure. Wires make the mouse move when you don't want it to move. Wireless credential entry device? Those should remain wired, I think.

deepsun 1 day ago||
Well, for programming it's not convenient -- no Insert/Pageup/Screenshot buttons.
f311a 1 day ago||
Why do you need screenshot button for programming? How many times do you press it? You can just use fn button for that.

People are programming on a 36-key keyboards just fine and they don't miss any keys. It's easier to press fn + something than reaching out for screenshot button, which is usually far away. That way, you don't have to move your hands.

energy123 1 day ago|||
The cognitive load of having to press two keys takes its toll and breaks flow, even though it doesn't seem like it should make a difference, at least in my experience. I'm back to TKL or larger.
jerlam 1 day ago|||
Does a Mac even recognize the screenshot button?

I take lots of screenshots and videos and add them to PRs, which clearly communicate what has changed.

red_hare 1 day ago|||
15 years of mouse-free professional programming and never in my life have I touched these.
naikrovek 1 day ago||
30 years of professional programming and I touch "Home", "End", "PgUp", "PgDn", "Ins", and "Del" every single day.
f311a 1 day ago||
You can do this using fn button, without moving your hand every time you need to press them.

It's very convenient, when your hand don't move at all and can reach every button.

deepsun 1 day ago|||
One of built-in, often used by me hotkey is Ctrl-Shift-Alt-Insert (open a new temporary scratch file). It's a default one and I don't want to set up it on every new device. Another one is Alt-Shift-Insert (rectangular selection).

A problem is that it's hard to remap, because everything else I can think of is taken already.

chicagobuss 1 day ago||||
It's also very convenient to not have to remember a bunch of extra combos or perform the gymnastics to press them, especially if you need other modifiers too like shift+pgup, shift+ctrl+pageup, etc
naikrovek 1 day ago|||
you can do it using any button you like. lots of keyboards are entirely remappable. i don't understand how/why one saying they never touch these buttons is some kind of flex, like it's somehow superior to avoid using some keys or something.
platevoltage 1 day ago||
The screenshot hotkey combo is etched into my brain at this point.
buildinext 1 day ago||
reserved...looking forward to giving this a ride tks for sharing
nicksergeant 1 day ago||
My dream keyboard, if only it could split down the middle for ergonomics :(
ChaseRensberger 1 day ago|
yea split + ortholinear would be peak
jerlam 1 day ago||
Ergo users are never going to be happy.

I'd complain about the lack of thumb keys, and then the flatness, and suddenly we're talking about a completely different keyboard.

hparadiz 1 day ago||
Add a finger print sensor at some point. Lovely design.
calculated 1 day ago||
Start shipping to Bulgaria please. I’ll buy it right away once you do. Let me know if I can somehow help on my end with that. Speechless on what you’ve made.
WesolyKubeczek 1 day ago||
Would be ever so awesome if the keyboard had feet.

As far as ergonomics go, I don't care too much about split layouts and similar nonsense, but my wrists start to hurt really fast when the keyboard is lying flat on the desk.

I've bought adhesive folding feet for my laptops. They are awesome. I used a pair for my B104 (a reproduction of IBM beam spring switches in a modern keyboard). I still wish I didn't have to glue any contraptions to devices I type on.

waffletower 1 day ago||
Cramming the fn key into the sacred ctrl-alt-cmd triumvirate is disagreeable. Would require learning and remapping. I prefer fn to be distant as I have chorded for decades with the said trio.
gaigalas 1 day ago|
I was really excited about Altar I, but no shipping to Brazil, so I gave up on it. Nice to see the idea continues (consider worldwide shipping would be my only feedback on the idea, I guess).

I now own a Logitech MX Keys S and I'm quite happy with it.

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