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Posted by aemerson_ 1 day ago

Show HN: I spent 2 years designing a mechanical Magic Keyboard(electronicmaterialsoffice.com)
Hi HN, today I’m revealing Altar II, an ultra-low profile (4.75mm) mechanical keyboard designed to replace your Magic Keyboard. It’s the keyboard I wish Apple made.

Altar II has fully mechanical switches, plus a magnetically detachable dial, haptic feedback, a red backlight, and a native macOS companion app.

I’m a heavy Mac user and I feel that Apple hasn’t given its keyboards the attention they deserve, in terms of hardware, software, and features, so I set out to try and change that.

It was a massive undertaking and it has taken almost 2 years to get to this stage. One of the main obstacles was fitting a reasonably sized battery into the chassis, and aggressive power profiling without messing with the user experience. Another issue was we couldn’t fit any components on the underside of the PCB because there was literally no space to do so (and there are a lot of components).

Around 4 years ago I posted my first keyboard to HN (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32507172). Its response blew me away and ultimately led to me quitting my job and making and selling keyboards full time. I’ve taken some of the feedback from that original post and incorporated it into Altar II (e.g. the detachable dial).

I’ll be around to answer any questions. Please let me know what you think, I’d love to get some feedback.

294 points | 237 commentspage 9
nmca 1 day ago|
It would be glorious if there was a split version!
xiconfjs 1 day ago||
What is the weight?
aemerson_ 1 day ago|
The final weight has not been determined yet as we are trying out different materials, internal designs and components. But the final weight will be 300g-400g or so.
hereme888 1 day ago||
Beautiful work, both hardware and website.
yassa9 1 day ago||
I like the website more than the keyboard itself
anentropic 1 day ago||
Any plans for a model with numeric keypad too?
aemerson_ 1 day ago|
Not at the moment.

If we did a numpad I would probably do it as a separate device. Personally I don't like how the numpad sits between the edge of my keyboard and mouse. I'd prefer it to the left of my keyboard or to the right side of my mouse.

anentropic 19 hours ago||
All well and good, but a full size with right-handed numpad is baked into my muscle memory from decades...
m463 1 day ago||
I hate what apple did with the keyboard. They set a bad example with flat keys.

They used to have slightly sculpted keys, where your fingers could find the keys and self-center, leading to accurate typing.

But typical apple - thin is the target - and everyone follows

wilsonnb3 1 day ago||
What does it feel like to type on?
aemerson_ 1 day ago|
It's kind of like a M-series Mac keyboard but with substantially more travel on the key (we have about 0.5mm more travel), and more of a more definitive sense of when the key is actuated. It's a much more tactile experience than the MacBook keyboards, but that is still the closest comparison.
realo 1 day ago||
Nice!

The devil is in the details.

Do you have a french version? ...

sam_lowry_ 1 day ago|
Just turn it upside down /s
gilthelander 1 day ago||
I don't understand the overwhelming praise. This product is just bizarre. Who is this for?

What's with the giant numbers and tiny symbols? I know where the numbers are from muscle memory. I don't have the symbols memorized.

Haptic feedback when you use the command key? Why?

No number pad or page up/page dn, which would be something useful.

This is like The Homer of keyboards. Does it play La Cucaracha out of the speaker if you push the knob four times?

You clearly have the technical capabilities but the product requirements are bonkers.

kccqzy 1 day ago||
Part of the reason for the overwhelming praise is because this is a “Show HN” thread[0]. People liked the amount of effort put in. Keyboards are highly personal anyways, so I wouldn’t be surprised that an average person would disagree with a few design decisions here.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html

phoghed 1 day ago|||
> who is this for?

Me and my preorder

buf 1 day ago|||
It's made for keyboard enthusiasts. Give it a shot. Maybe you'll be one of them.
platevoltage 1 day ago||
There aren't many Mac layout mechanical keyboards out there. This is an addition to the very few choices out there. I don't know why you feel the need to shit on it.
tempodox 1 day ago|
OK, I want it, but for Linux.
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