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Posted by RickJWagner 20 hours ago

What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers(www.noemamag.com)
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austin-cheney 11 hours ago|
Just as a reminder this subject of AI replacing developers come up all the time but it has not happened yet.

People want to focus on AI but the same problem has always been there for 2-4 decades. Software, as a profession, has no credentials, no common elevation path, no common training criteria. You just show up and everyone is super insecure. AI just provides a name to identify that insecurity. Nothing else has changed.

aetherspawn 9 hours ago|
I want to open with: I have 20 years exp as a hacker and deep tech software engineer. LLVM and such.

I shared your opinion until just last week, when I started using Fable on Autocode and passing it huge requirement specs I had written for desktop apps.

$500 in -> 5 days -> an app that would take me a year to write, and the code quality was fine. I just left it running in /loop… I did nothing.

Now I, unfortunately, believe the propaganda, and I too am worried.

Can the economy support the burn rate of AI companies though? My mission now is to create all the apps and products that are stuck in my head while I still can, before Fable is inaccessible due to bankruptcy or they hike the price or some other thing.

zitterbewegung 19 hours ago||
When have people in Tech been happy? (Serious question).
Balinares 19 hours ago||
There was a time when Google SREs were inventing the profession from the ground up, and it was the stuff of legend.
david927 19 hours ago||
The 1990's
foobiekr 2 hours ago||
Othr than bubble $, not really. The true "golden time" was the 1980s. Creation of Cisco, Sun and SGI, and so many other things (like the personal computer), all new, incredible energy, mostly positive.
SirFatty 17 hours ago||
cybersecurity has taken over my life as a IT Manager. Security was always important, and always something I worked on, but now it's all I work on and it's exhausting.

Managing patch management)software and firmware. Users who cannot help but enter credentials via phishing regardless of training.

Chasing the next best practice (SSL VPN out, IPsec is back, etc).

Multicomp 19 hours ago||
> In my experience, there are two broad categories of Knowledge Workers. The first are outcome-first workers. Their focus is on the business, on winning, on efficiency. Human needs and faults and emotions are an obstacle to be overcome.

> The second group has an experience-first perspective. These workers love the messy middle. They value the journey. They want their organizations to perform well but as a natural consequence of collaboration, debate and shared struggle with people they actually like. Many experience-first people are artists outside of work. Photographers, directors, screenwriters, sculptors, painters, poets, writers. Many are active volunteers. For these people, to be pulled away from their economically unviable passions requires something in return: a company experience with freedom for exploration, creativity, problem solving and cool colleagues.

The first group appears to be correctly compartmentalizing work into its correct location, this is a job I do to meet a goal, how are we doing on that goal, they have healthy limited expectations of the experiences there.

The latter group sounds childish or unprofessional or at least unrealistic in their expectations that a job you do for a living will be all you want it to be. I laud people who volunteer, I do as well, I laud creatives, we need more of them, not less of them, but somewhere along the way, people need to work at the sucky starter job so they grow out of wild-eyed views that all jobs will bring one satisfaction. Some jobs are more cushy and give you more of a sense of fulfillment, true, and those are vocations in the article's sense, but most jobs are just jobs, therefore it seems unrealistic to me to expect them to make one happy.

Satisfaction in life comes from service to others, because said service drives strong trusting relationships with people, you love what you serve, and those trusting relationships mean you get to see more people and they often reciprocate, thus families (in the nuclear, community, and found senses, all apply) are formed and meaning arises as the gestalt of that support and forward progress gets us what we can handle for this-side-of-life eudaimonia.

Beyond that? That's the nature of religion and I know I'm already annoying someone with my too-strong opinions as is, so I will spare you my thoughts there this time.

godwinson__4-8 5 hours ago||
Yikes. Won't someone think of the software engineers?

Many of us have done far better than we deserve. There are so many workers who will never approach the gains even an aborted or partial career in software will accomplish.

How many of you are willing to sacrifice to achieve UBI for all?

My sympathy for you will depend on the answer.

aobdev 5 hours ago|
The author is pretty unsympathetic towards those who give their lives to “Workism” in exchange for money, no?
godwinson__4-8 4 hours ago||
Maybe so. Yet a "career" is not charity. I think it's important for engineers to remember a career in software is still (as it long has been) a luxury.
erikerikson 9 hours ago||
What the article describes was already a problem. Business people frequently pushed for broken incomplete work via shortcuts, fell for flattery, and otherwise twisted the work for those of us who cared about doing it well and accomplishing valuable and important things.

Early in my career I wrote a product that helped get a startup funding. That product went on to be used, among many other things, to reduce the impacts of genocide. Further actually impactful results were abstract in nature, a framework that was used to start many financially successful companies.

The entire 25 years there was an endless tension to balance actually doing good work and slapping together some garbage really fast. There's some good to that tension but discussing that here would be a distraction. I think AI really accelerated the sloppy acceleration and really emboldened the slop crowd. It's the perfect tool for the blowhards playing politics and irresponsibly pushing under the belief that there is endless grift absorption capacity.

To me the article makes a strong point but what do I know? I'm too busy farming to really think it through.

jimt1234 4 hours ago||
For me it's not just AI. The industry just doesn't feel the same anymore. Maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon - I've been in this industry since the 80s, but things really seemed to change, or I finally noticed it, around 2010 or so. It seemed like everything we were building wasn't to help people, it was to extract data from people and generally just harass people into buying shit.

We transformed society through email, the web, mobile, and so on. But now we're recording everything your car does and delivering ads on refrigerators. It just doesn't feel the same anymore.

lrvick 13 hours ago||
I am finally able to deliver on years of backlog ideas thanks to the GPUs I racked up in my garage. Having a blast.

Everyone I know fully dependent on corpotch seems pretty sad though. I frequently suggest that they stop. It has not worked.

seydor 19 hours ago||
Having just installed the world's most popular software (MS windows), i think they should be.
dec0dedab0de 19 hours ago||
Surely android and ios surpass windows in usage. Though I would argue that none of them are popular.
alansaber 19 hours ago|||
Fair enough.
sri9s 19 hours ago||
good one
mjcohen 13 hours ago|
So glad I am retired.
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