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Posted by slowin 12 hours ago

The UK's war on anonymity has come to America(www.effort.news)
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mrmckizzle 10 hours ago|
It never came, it has always been here.
ColdStream 9 hours ago|
Someone I used to associate with was always really switched on with these things. Many things he said in the past that sounded a bit extreme or conspiratorial, turned out to be the real deal years later. Always interesting in retrospect.

The one thing he always said is, they have always been watching and know who is who, what these things do is allow it to be entered into the court of law. Now they can act on these things.

Analemma_ 11 hours ago||
On this topic, have people noticed the sudden coordinated media push for Flock Is Your Friend? The Free Press, The Atlantic, and Axios have all churned out pro-Flock articles in the last week. Clearly someone (I assume A16Z, but it could be multiple groups) is panicking about the mounting bipartisan backlash to Flock cameras and is starting to write checks to try and head it off.
iamnothere 11 hours ago||
My theory is that the establishment sees the oncoming economic crisis and is desperately trying to plan for managing the fallout. They don’t like Flock or its backers, but they feel they have no choice. Same as why Palantir is gradually being rehabilitated in the mainstream press.

You’ll also notice that Anduril is quickly being accepted now that we’re expending munitions faster than our replacement rate.

walrus01 11 hours ago|||
> trying to plan for managing the fallout

Put in a less polite way, they're preparing for the metaphorical pitchforks and torches held by mobs of the common people which might manifest themselves in a more kinetic format.

iamnothere 11 hours ago||
Yes. My hope is that the rare earths shortage, memory shortage, and current focus on munitions will delay the era of drone-based policing until after the crisis.
ColdStream 9 hours ago||
I suspect the crisis isn't a short term economic shock but a long term decline from resource decline, possible water/food shortages amplified by climate blow back. Something that will not end in your lifetime or the next generations.

Military's, intelligence agencies and actuaries have been warning about this for decades now and their language is getting very direct on this and the time lines nowadays.

If you have ever been caught in a rip while swimming, there is a moment when you suddenly getting a sucking sensation as you transition from stable waters into an outward flow. I am starting to think we are in that transitional phase on global stability, that the 2030's are not going to be a comfortable time for many.

They are ensuring that potential disruptors can be reigned in if needed. To try and stop things from being even more unpredictable, for better or worse. Buckle up.

You don't build long term surveillance systems and billionaires don't build bunkers for what they think of as a temporary tough situation.

iamnothere 9 hours ago|||
Fair, perhaps I should have said until after the crisis passes its most acute phase. I expect the eventual energy and climate system shock to result in mass unrest and many excess deaths. Meanwhile wars are almost guaranteed, which will further stretch resources. If we make it out of the initial crisis without a strategic nuclear war, we may settle into a period of extended decline that’s relatively stable, though very unpleasant.
inigyou 2 hours ago||||
I once read about a programming language designed for modelling dynamic numerical systems. The example given was world demographics. It was written in the 1980s or 90s. The output showed quality of life peaking in the 2010s, population peaking in the 2020s or 2030s, and then quality of life and population plummeting.
shnock 8 hours ago|||
Could you please link those warnings? I’m interested in institutional forecasts of such challenges in the upcoming decades.
ColdStream 8 hours ago|||
No problem at all, thanks for asking! Two from this year both from the UK.

I really wish I had kept all the others from the US, Europe, Aus/NZ etc. It is a very common theme but they are largely kept quiet and only typically (partially) released through freedom of information requests.

This one from Actuaries UK was one that set off alarm bells. As they advise the insurance industry, they are structured to be politically neutral. The key takeaway is the impacts of 3c temperature rise by 2050 on page 9. The reason this is an issue, we are currently on target to hit that with us likely to pass 2c mid next decade with the rate of warming increasing.

https://actuaries.org.uk/media/r3cporjb/planetary-solvency-c...

This one from the UK government is all about addressing national security regarding this issue. Typically they are advising that they secure their food supplies and hardened up boarders in the next 5 years. Funnily enough Brexit may have given them the power to enforce this much more than they would have otherwise had. But that just means they have built a unique flavor of oppression.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nature-security-a...

I have said it for years now about a lot of countries. They will welcome immigrants with open arms, those arms being machine guns, rockets and drones.

iamnothere 8 hours ago|||
I recommend the Energy Skeptic blog, they often provide sources and links to papers: https://energyskeptic.com/

They also pass my personal test of not advocating for dumb feel-good ideas. Recently they published a well-sourced article on why the US rail system isn’t a good candidate for electrification.

ColdStream 8 hours ago||
Another great one, at least the earlier stuff was 'Do the Math' by Tom Murphy.

https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/

Was all about just doing the math on energy transitions. He wasn't anti renewable technology but did want to point out how scale is a problem that few understand.

My favorite number of his is, that at 3% growth year over year, we would need all the energy of the Milky way galaxy by the year 13,000. As the galaxy is 100,000 light years across, this would defy physics itself.

iamnothere 8 hours ago||
Seconded, that’s a good one too. I also recommend Jem Bendell as a palate cleanser, his work is fluffier but it’s all about finding ways to thrive during decline rather than succumbing to doom and gloom.
barney54 11 hours ago|||
You are giving them way, way, way too much credit. They are not planning for a future economic crisis.
cosmic_cheese 11 hours ago|||
Pro-Flock bots come out in droves in the replies to any Xitter post that’s even mildly negative towards them too. It’s not the least bit subtle.
walrus01 11 hours ago||
basically: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wont-somebody-please-think-of...
pilingual 10 hours ago|||
Drew Harwell, Douglas MacMillan, and Aaron Schaffer from the Washington Post also wrote a shameful article on this topic on August 4th (the title changed, along with an image of a woman who was harassed to something else). No counterpoint. Total submarine article.
BLKNSLVR 11 hours ago|||
Noticed the same with some media publishing anti-work-from-home articles recently.

"We need the plebs to want to mock people who work from home, to reduce the reticence in coming back to work in the office"

"We need our commercial property values to go back up"

Edited to add:

"Our managers need to _feel_ as if they're actually managing people"

swed420 11 hours ago|||
The entire back-to-normal narrative was and still is a total mindfuck:

https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/how-the-press-manufactured-co...

The threat from COVID (and more importantly, long COVID) never went away, but they sure convinced the average person that it did.

Today you can see an N95 in the wild once in awhile, so some people are paying attention, but they are less than 1%. Many others are suffering brain damage, unexplained heart issues, taxed immune systems, etc and have no idea why (nor does their doctor).

BLKNSLVR 10 hours ago|||
Eesh, those are some sobering numbers.
inigyou 2 hours ago|||
And now that the world's had a look at long COVID - it seems like COVID isn't the only virus that causes it, and a big part of aging is caused by the cumulative damage from viral infections.
matchbok3 11 hours ago|||
It's 2026, the conspiracy theory that business people wanted RTO for office space value has been debunked 100 times. Such a silly, nonsense idea.
samplatt 10 hours ago|||
That'd be a lot easier to believe if you provided a source, which you should do if you care enough to comment in the first place, I think?

A cursory google suggests that the return-to-office movement is primarily driven by management's desire for voluntary turnover, avoiding the bad press of mass layoffs. But certainly doesn't show that it's 'been debunked 100 times'.

In my own experience, it's been 50/50 a desire for voluntary turnover, and also a control tactic. Employees are easier to strong-arm when they're immersed in the idea that company culture actually matters.

walrus01 11 hours ago||||
You think that the size of investment firms that own something like, a good sized chunk of midtown Manhattan class A and B commercial real estate aren't capable of deploying social and tradtional-media influence tools to push an agenda to repopulate their office space? That would be a very inaccurate assessment of how large and motivated they are.
matchbok3 9 hours ago||
If you are willing to believe a nonsense conspiracy like that then there is no way we could have a productive conversation.
walrus01 9 hours ago||
You actually don't think that the world's largest REITs hire lobbyists at the municipal, state and federal levels? That's an extremely naive and uninformed position.
BLKNSLVR 10 hours ago|||
Didn't mean to imply that was the only reason, so I've added another reason to my comment.

I haven't come across much of the debunking of the commercial property issue. I would say it's undeniably factor, but we can argue about the scale.

A total of $800 billion—in real terms—of value is at stake by 2030, and, on average, the total value of office space is expected to decline by 26 percent from 2019 to 2030.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/real-estate/our-insights...

matchbok3 9 hours ago||
You think XYZ Company is going to listen to some consultant telling them in a press release that they should go back into the office because some REIT needs more money in it? Why would the CEO of a tech company care at all what the value of their leased office building is? Do you understand how leases and real estate works?
BLKNSLVR 4 hours ago||
I understand there's significant motivation behind the potential of losing $800 billion in value.

I think those kinds of numbers can have more fundamental implications.

ekianjo 11 hours ago||
Follow the money. That also shows which media sources you should never trust
hliyan 8 hours ago||
There's a better network layer solution than trying to block visitors at every host or at the endpoint devices' OS/application layer. I know because a company in my country is already testing such a thing in private beta. A router firmware that provides two wifi endpoints per home, one for adults and one for minors. You only share the minors' password with your children. The firmware maintains a whitelist of sites (it periodically downloads from a central server, I think). There is nothing to be installed on endpoint device, and no gatekeeping is necessary at the host. Apparently this can be extended to mobile networks as well, but I haven't looked at it in detail.
awakeasleep 8 hours ago|
That sounds like a great solution for when your child is in your house using your wifi.
hliyan 7 hours ago||
Yes, if it's to provide full safety coverage, it has to be rolled out at telco level including mobile connectivity, which is where this solution runs into red tape.
KaiserPro 2 hours ago||
UK person here, and someone who has been lobbied and lobbied the government on tech regulations.

firstly the amount of money that the "UK lobby" are pushing is a drop of sand in the ocean.[1]

secondly, and most importantly, the USA has no (federally robust) legal protection for citizens to guard against data collection and aggregation. So whist this is being presented as a war on anonymity lead by the dirty British, this is basically "think of the children" play for protecting anonymity. There is nothing wrong with this, its a good argument, even though its obviously flawed.

If you want to dox someone, you just need to pay the right broker. That is, in the UK really difficult. (for example flock cameras are largely illegal in the UK, certainly no council or HOA can just install them. sure you can put in CCTV, but you cannot process that CCTV to track bystanders)

There are no useful controls for citizens to limit the collection and processing of personal information. so whilst in theory you can be anonymous in america, as soon as you use a phone, or any ISP you are effectively de anonymised. I can as a company, buy your location data, tie it to your IP, then cross check with various ad networks to get usernames. (the civil legal route here is file a john doe and ask for metadata in discovery. Higher legal bar, but I don't think thats something that can be done simply in the UK)

TLDR: Contrary to popular belief there are greater protections to anonymous behaviour in the UK. Yes they have been greatly eroded, but the difference here is that there are no legal ways for companies to unmask you for money[2]. In the USA there is no legal protection for someone to share your ID for money.

[1]musk is currently spending millions propping up convicted criminals.

[2] not without your permission, or without a robust legal proceeding.

BiteCode_dev 4 hours ago||
Since 9/11, the war on anonymity was always strong in the US.
Buttons840 10 hours ago||
It seems to me the intrusiveness of age verification will continue to grow.

They want the OS to report the user's age. People will use this to claim whatever age they want. For instance, if companies cannot advertise to children, they might find that almost every computer is reporting that the user is a child--turns out adults want the protections kids receive as well--sometimes.

Eventually they will have to enforce a system intrusive enough that no lying or abuse of the system is possible. We might even approach "Verification Can" levels of verification.

ColdStream 9 hours ago|
I will go back to DOS before I hand over this information. I already have my setup for it when this comes down the line.

Can also just lie about your age, "I am as old as the fjords, as young as a newborn lamb" - Thor - GTA Vice City radio ;)

skinfaxi 2 hours ago||
They will require you to use device attestation to access government sites/services next.
jaimex2 9 hours ago||
What can the average person do to try and dismantle these NGOs?
mikestorrent 9 hours ago||
The goal behind these efforts, fundamentally, is to make it impossible to organize efforts to dissent against whatever comes next. We still have the tools for mass organization but we lack unifying charismatic leaders who could use them in time.
ColdStream 8 hours ago||
Nowadays that seems to be almost by design.

This is something I have noted with Trump, he seems to be one of the last names that made it really big in pre-social media era and had a somewhat unified presence in peoples minds.

Making it to that level nowadays is actually really difficult, heck I would argue that even people like Mr Beast hasn't hit that level of awareness due to the fragmented nature of media and fame.

You can build movement in an echo chamber, it just depends if that is enough.

fedpost 9 hours ago||
Delay the legislation whenever possible, call your Congress critter and make their lives a tiny bit worse. Deny them at every level of government including local and state assemblies where you have a bigger voice. Defend your communities by actually showing up to city council meetings. That kinda stuff...

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/data-centers/prot...

kajaktum 10 hours ago||
Having privacy necessarily means that it will also make conversation between any adult and child private.

This is simply a risk that I am willing to make. Just fuck off already.

gib444 3 hours ago|
It's cute people think the UK has this level of influence over the USA

Like, pick a side: are we the tiny backwater micro state on the verge of bankruptcy with no standing in the world, or are we a hugely influencial world power directing US law?

tim333 2 hours ago|
I think it's more they may copy the idea. Kinda like the US version of The Office.
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