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Posted by Ariarule 2 days ago

I like 'em thick: an apology to my English teachers(www.experimental-history.com)
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nyeah 4 hours ago|
I think teachers did tell us exactly this. But we were 15 and we didn't believe them or didn't listen.
digitallogic 6 hours ago||
There's a lot of great things about this piece, but I'm kind of stuck on the "Hieronymus Bosch Butt Music". Listened to it a bunch of times now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnrICy3Bc2U

Maybe that's the point?

dzonga 3 hours ago||
> I’m sorry, but if you’re building or using a tool like this, then you’ve got slop for brains.

unfortunately a lot of people in tech tend to think in terms of technology - looking at this from one solution - not looking at the problem holistically. turning their brains into slop brains.

CocaKoala 6 hours ago||
Something I learned recently and which this article sort of hints at - look at the three drafts of Under The Wave Off Kanagawa. The composition is different, but also the colours are much more muted. In the first draft, the only colours highlighted are the people in the corner; in the second, the cliffs. The third draft finally colours the wave, but it's a sedate grey-blue. It's not until the fourth draft that everybody recognizes that we get this brilliant dark blue wave rising up over the the boat, dwarfing the mountain in the background.

And that's because when Hokusai sat down to print that fourth draft, people had recently started exporting prussian blue dye to Japan; prior to that point, he just straight up didn't have access to that striking blue colour that dominates the print.

wxw 6 hours ago||
Really enjoyed how thick this essay was.

> The slop-acalypse that so many of us fear, when people will stop looking at anything made by humans and only look at things made by machines—why hasn’t that happened yet?

Unfortunately, I'm pessimistic here. I don't think the slop-acalypse is held back by taste or an appreciation for "thickness". I think there's already very successful slop media in the world (e.g. see microdramas). In other words, it is happening, but like anything else, it's happening in a non-evenly distributed way.

buredoranna 6 hours ago||

  > The slop-acalypse that so many of us fear,
  > when people will stop looking at anything
  > made by humans and only look at things made
  > by machines—why hasn’t that happened yet?
I contend people will be willing, even eager, to pay a premium for content provably produced by humans.

Are you an artist? A woodworker? Metalsmith? ... start recording your work and post it to youtube. I guarantee people will be willing to pay extra for the thing you built (I certainly would).

(edit: formatting)

idontwantthis 6 hours ago||
I really enjoyed reading this and I've been thinking along similar lines when I imagine viable careers of the future. No one will care if code is "thick" but why would anyone buy a novel written by AI? What does the reader get out of it? It seems like the humanities might be the most stable career path available.
Avicebron 4 hours ago||
Haha and suddenly we'll have the pivot where all the software engineers try their hand at being writers. I can already see glimpses of it here wirh articles like this.

Code can be thick, but it's really the value and conscientiousness of the thing being created that will be judged as "thick".

One hope I have when the wave of AI acceleration comes smashing down to reality is that it will force people into being deliberate, measured, and "thick" with their designs, approaches, attitudes, etc.

apsurd 6 hours ago||
i’m working on a little ios widget display currently. even a tiny little one view box has hundreds of nuanced design and structure decisions behind it.

That reasoning is the thickness not the amount of code that powers it though they are somewhat interrelated.

Brian_K_White 2 hours ago||
Do you not think those teachers all failed Lockhart's Lament?

Sure you were too young to appreciate great literature natively. That is simply a function of the human condition. You were not failing at anything, no matter how great the great things actually were that you did not appreciate.

There should be like one of the responsibilities of adults is to show kids what's actually so great about greatness. There can even maybe be a profession where the, let's call them "teachers" are specially trained to be aware of the limitations and stages of development of children such that they know how not to drop a heavy advanced things on a hyper 10 year old like a bag of sand, but show them one example concept or facet that they can appreciate, and also in the process show them that there are such things as great things that you don't yet grasp but they are there and when you get there you will find them great.

That sounds like the entire purpose of a teacher to me. So if none of them did that, then I don't think it is you who owes any of them an apology.

https://archive.org/details/AMathematiciansLament/

colinrand 6 hours ago||
Omg. this is the best word ever: poptimism
phainopepla2 2 hours ago|
It comes from a big struggle in the world of music criticism and appreciation, specifically as a reaction to "rockism".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockism_and_poptimism

There were issues with rockism, but I still think the wrong side won that fight.

worik 2 hours ago|
I really like this, in the world burning, slaughter of the young all around and the economy unbalanced and tettering on the brink...

Art.

I have a quibble, that does not detract: This is about consuming art, and the appreciation of great art. Part of the pleasure of art, is making art.

In a community we appreciate each other's art in an altogether different way. We cheer on our comrades and they cheer on us, and we make (not very thick) art

Bless. Thick art is truly awesome, and makes the world a better place.

Remember the core of Punk: DIY

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