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Posted by dash2 2 days ago

AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study(www.economist.com)
https://archive.is/w1eng

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6868618

185 points | 242 commentspage 3
yipinwong 5 hours ago|
The article does not relate AI usage for homework to exam score drops.

It tries to link them together with no obvious cause and effect.

The score could have dropped due to worse environment at schools or kids who were stuck at home studying online and now in physical locations could not adapt fast enough (meaning, possibly just temporary drops). We do not yet have enough metrics gathered yet.

This type of article bashing AI for the root of any problems, I find it appalling without any evidence.

It's nothing but a conjecture.

dang 4 hours ago||
(This was originally posted in response to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49389565, which has a different article. We've since merged the threads.)
djeastm 4 hours ago||
They left 20% of the 87,000 students as a control group. Is that not enough to allow for differences in environment, etc?
jsisto 2 days ago||
i’m pretty sure there’s already a correlation between technology in the classroom and worse learning outcomes
AlwaysBetOnJS 3 hours ago||
I used to skip homework in high school because it was boring and cut into my personal life outside of school (including my job) but I would always do very well on tests.

Then I stopped caring about tests too.

I did the same thing through college. The only reason they passed me and I got a degree is that I built the school’s website and I built personal ecommerce sites for the head of art and his wife to sell their paintings.

I haven’t done shit since like 7th grade.

Worked at Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, same behavior there - did basically nothing for them while making thousands off my games on App Store.

Fuck authority

zemo 6 hours ago|||
abolish homework
GPerson 6 hours ago|
This is the answer. Many (all?) European schools don’t give homework (this is partly because of the way the grad programs work). It’s on the students to study in order to pass the (difficult) exams.
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johnnyApplePRNG 6 hours ago|||
Learning in school is so broken.

Homework is boring. I had a tough enough time focusing on it in the 90s when computers and video games were still a drag to get going... Imagine explaining to a child today that they need to sit down and do an hour of math homework every other night?

I just can't see it happening.

It's too boring.

I don't have a solution to this problem.

VCFundedGenYer 6 hours ago||
So your complaint is...it's boring?

The point is to train the brain via repitition and iteration.

If your goal is entertainment, I'm not sure what you are looking for.

dan_ggggg 6 hours ago||
This site is flush with C students who are upset that they graduated before AI had the opportunity to destroy their learning experience.
__mharrison__ 6 hours ago||
Yep, learning is hard work.
dan_ggggg 6 hours ago||
I don't like doing anything hard, which is why I outsource all of my thoughts to for-profit slop generators.

Don't make any commentary on my intelligence or I'll get you banned.

josefritzishere 5 hours ago||
I think we need to accept that AI causes cognitive decline, like Alzheimer's. For an Adult this may be manageable, but in a young brain, this is detrimental.
OroPla 5 hours ago||
I remember reading about people talking how writing and reading books leads to cognitive decline because people won't need to remember things anymore.

Pretty sure the way social media is designed contributes more to short attention spans and atrophy of the cerebral cortex.

dgellow 5 hours ago|||
The fact people were wrong in the past doesn’t mean it’s wrong with regards to AI
graemep 5 hours ago||||
There was a decline in brain size that greatly predated widespread literacy:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20240517-the-human-brai...

josefritzishere 4 hours ago|||
FYI: The rhetorical fallacy here is called a false syllogism.
mattmcal 5 hours ago||
Not doubting this one bit but is there actually any research linking AI use to Alzheimer's? I think that takes long-term studies.
josefritzishere 4 hours ago||
Comparing it to Alzheimer's is an allegory. The cognitive loss is already well documented. I might also compare it to Chronic traumatic encephalopathy. But I think more people understand what Alzheimer's is.
OroPla 5 hours ago|
This feels like the calculator debate all over again.

Yes, using a calculator leads to worse outcomes in your learning. But also, yes, everyone always carries a calculator on their person 24/7 these days and you'll never be as fast and as accurate as a calculator.

I think it would have been kinda cool if you could have unlocked the privilege of using a calculator in school through good grades in math class. Prove you can do what the tool can, then you get to use it. Would have also provided at least one incentive for students to get good grades in at least one class.

graemep 5 hours ago||
> Yes, using a calculator leads to worse outcomes in your learning.

Does it? https://www.jstor.org/stable/749255

zadikian 4 hours ago||
You do sometimes get to unlock it by being allowed to use calculators in more advanced classes
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