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Posted by __fst__ 20 hours ago

Casio F-B100W-1A(www.casio.com)
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rglover 12 hours ago|
Kind of hope this is a signal the culture is moving towards an analog 2.0 movement (a merging of old school interfaces with modern tech components thoughtfully incorporated).
nshshbr 9 hours ago|
Yes, so exciting to "thoughtfully" disguise modern spyware tech as boutique retro accessories.
b8 6 hours ago||
I wish they would've added features like LED lighting and other improvements while keeping Solar and Atomic clock syncing. Instead of modern smart watch stuff.
onehair 6 hours ago||
I have the ABL-100WE-1A version, it has LED backlight. all of the ABL-100WE have it. I press 3 seconds on the mode button, the watch syncs to the phone, syncs the clock and doesn't drift for a long time, and it also syncs the steps from pedometer.
retired 6 hours ago||
These watches have cheap batteries that you can swap in two minutes. Not a big deal. Solar batteries cost a lot more money and will render this watch as e-waste in the future.
slybot 14 hours ago||
I use daily a Japan exclusive model, LIW-M700D (https://www.benswatchclub.com/blog/casio-lineage-liw-m700d-r...), and lucky enough to be in range of DCF77 signal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77). Hard to believe, it was less than 200 euros.
post-it 13 hours ago||
Immediate popup asking me to select my country, and when I selected Canada it tells me the page can't be found. Great UX work as always.
cgyvbunji 20 hours ago||
Not the first new F91W-ish model in 40 years but still neat, I hadn't heard about this one yet, thanks for sharing.
huntercaron 20 hours ago||
Step counter seems like a bizarre thing to focus in on? are people passionately tracking steps without their phones?
SyneRyder 20 hours ago||
My father wears Casio watches almost exclusively, he's been tempted by a Fitbit so he can start tracking his step count, but even though I've bought him the Fitbit, he's finding the whole setup and app usage too intimidating, and so he hasn't used it.

This, in the silver ABL-100WE-2AEF model, is exactly what he wants. Same Casio, same interface, just now it has step count. He doesn't even need / want the Bluetooth.

(Me, I'll keep rocking my Pebble Time 2. Absolutely love it.)

Reubachi 19 hours ago|||
Of all the things "smart watches" do, the one thing beyond time that most people actually perceive daily is their tracked steps.

IE; My apple watch ais the only one that goes out of it's way to make sure I know my steps for the day, and is always "accurate". Which is nice, but gimmicky for someone like me who doesn't analyze my steps.

I imagine Casio went after similar low hanging fruit, as an acceleromater is cheap/old tech, while still being able to feature compete with something like an apple watch.

suncemoje 19 hours ago||
I guess it's a more complicated thing to implement (!= low hanging fruit), but I'd be more interested in sleep tracking than step tracking.
tjoff 19 hours ago||
Sure, but we can't do sleep tracking well. Todays devices mostly guess and map to typical patterns. Might, might not, work reasonably for you. But chances are that if you want to track your sleep because you suspect irregularities then they are about as useful as a potato.
rafram 19 hours ago||
The Apple Watch is quite accurate (according to Apple's own research, at least), and it doesn't guess or map to typical patterns: https://www.apple.com/health/pdf/Estimating_Sleep_Stages_fro...
tjoff 18 hours ago||
From other anectdata the apple watch seems to just as bad as everything else.

We just don't seem to have any idea how to track sleep quality even with better devices than just a watch/whatever. Even a binary, is the person I'm attached to sleeping, is hit and miss. And with that in mind you can be pretty sure that the sleep stages etc is even worse.

bookofjoe 52 minutes ago||
The problem with sleep tracking watches is that simply wearing them alters your sleep patterns/quality.
phil21 18 hours ago|||
> Step counter seems like a bizarre thing to focus in on? are people passionately tracking steps without their phones?

Yup. I go for walks specifically to leave my damn phone at home. I do bring an Apple Watch w/ airpods in case I need to take an urgent call and for podcasts, but I don't bother with texts or alerts or any other nonsense.

And while step tracking is not critical, if you have health goals that include a minimum number of steps a day I find it incredibly nice to have. I can check my counter before bed, and take the dog for a 30 minute walk if I'm behind for the day. Just a means to hold myself accountable on those crappy low energy stressful days.

branon 20 hours ago|||
People are, absolutely, yes! In the tech world there is an ever-growing focus on devices which can operate independently of smartphones, even to an offline/local-first extent.

The trend is trickling down into other circles as well. People are beginning to correctly identify needless hyperconverged connectivity as a burden rather than a convenience.

the__alchemist 20 hours ago|||
It's always been this way. It adds to the charm, to be realized in a few decades. Camp-chique.

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advisedwang 19 hours ago|||
I had this same reaction to past step counters. I keep my phone in my pocket, and it works basically perfectly as a step counter.

But then I realized that many people do not keep their phone in their pocket, especially women. For them, a watch, bracelet or ring really is the best option.

jbjbjbjb 19 hours ago|||
Grandpa kept a pedometer in a little pouch for decades. I got him a Fitbit but he didn’t like that, and more recently another cheap pedometer off of Amazon.
davzie 20 hours ago|||
I am not passionate about it but I like to make sure I'm moving a lot. I like that I can at a glance just see how much that's happened each day. I have one of these. Had one a while now and its the only watch I've ever used that I've stuck with and kept using.
bluGill 20 hours ago|||
My phone is sitting on my desk now connected to a charger - meaning any pacing I'm doing at the moment it not tracked. When I cook I often set my phone on the counter with the recipe - again while I'm moving all over. I often go to the bathroom in the middle of the night without bringing my phone.

I hate watches, but one would be better for step tracking - it is more likely to be on me to track information.

kakacik 19 hours ago|||
Step tracking is for health reasons. Unless you do activities you describe 12h a day, every day, whether they are counted or not doesnt move the proverbial health needle a bit
bluGill 19 hours ago|||
From what I can tell health is about both quantity and quality. 30 minutes of exercise and sitting is not good for health. That is why 10,000 steps per day is so often a goal - I can do a few thousand steps in the 30 minutes of exercise, but other activities should also give steps and I want to know in general how active I am.
SoftTalker 19 hours ago|||
Step tracking is for people who like to pretend they are doing something healthy without actually exerting any dedicated effort above and beyond their normal routine.

"Walking briskly for 30 minutes" is a better measure of something healthy than how many steps you took.

smm11 18 hours ago|||
Just go run or go on a walk every day.
bluGill 18 hours ago||
But that doesn't give me data...

I do try to get my daily exercise. However it is still interesting to know how many steps I've taken. (sometimes my daily exercise is bike or swimming which are obviously not steps)

avgDev 19 hours ago|||
Not sure how old you are, but I am pushing 40. In order to stay healthy I need to track my steps and calories(somewhat), otherwise, I gain weight.

Tracking steps helps me stay on track.

TacticalCoder 19 hours ago|||
> are people passionately tracking steps without their phones?

The least apps on my phone, the better. And the least I've got my phone on me, the better. I often leave the house without taking my phone.

I don't track my steps but the wife does... Using a watch.

Why do you automatically assume everybody on earth is as tied to his phone as you are?

jubilanti 18 hours ago||
You must be unfamiliar with the cult of the 10,000 steps a day.
zeafoamrun 7 hours ago||
This sucks so much. The point of the F-91W is that is a dead simple digital watch that you can get for $10.
d_silin 20 hours ago||
Neat. Note that battery life is reasonably good (2 years) even with Bluetooth sync feature.
PaulRobinson 20 hours ago||
That's an amazing battery life these days. Love my Apple Watch, but having to charge it at least once a day, is a chore.

Might take another look at these - given the price, it's not a huge gamble to try it out for a few weeks.

avgDev 19 hours ago||
I feel the same about the apple watch. All I use it for is literally tracking steps. I do not care about any other feature. If my watch fails I will just get a casio watch.
BeetleB 20 hours ago|||
I was about to ask that - I somehow doubt it will last 2 years if you keep the step counter + Bluetooth on.
davzie 20 hours ago||
Bluetooth stays on only for three minutes and then turns itself off once you're done syncing stuff. I have had one for nearly two years now (ABL-100WE). Absolutely love it.
BeetleB 19 hours ago||
OK, but what about the step counter. Can it really last 2 years with the step counter continuously on?
ndiddy 19 hours ago|||
I work with accelerometer chips, a lot of them have features specifically for pedometers. Keeping the accelerometer on will draw a few uA, then you can have the accelerometer keep track of the step count internally and have the main processor query it as necessary to update the step count display. When there's no motion for a while, you can also put it into a lower power sleep mode that doesn't track steps, then when it detects motion it'll wake up the main processor which will then put the accelerometer back into pedometer mode. I think 2 years on a CR2016 (90 mAh) is reasonable if Casio knows what they're doing.
kalleboo 7 hours ago||||
Looking up some generic step counters with LCD displays, they seem to last around 6-10 months on a CR2032.
orwin 17 hours ago|||
If it's like the G-Shock, it's not a real step counter, it's a small accelerometer. It will trigger on every single wave when you're planing if you're windsurfing, which makes it quite useless.
rickcarlino 20 hours ago|||
I was surprised to see it uses CR2016 batteries and still manages to get two years of advertised battery life.
pletnes 19 hours ago||
Apple airtags last maybe a year on a CR2032, from experience.
mlsu 19 hours ago||
I mean, airtags are doing radio stuff at a regular cadence. I've noticed they update once every 15 minutes, so they are turning the radio on to do whatever BLE triangulation they need to do 96 times per day. That's milliamps over at least a few milliseconds to wake the radio, do whatever triangulation is needed. It's amazing that they last that long considering what they are doing. I think they are using Nordic NRF54 internally so it's testament to the power efficiency those chips are capable of.
ssl-3 17 hours ago||
Airtags don't do any triangulation. They just send out a BLE beacon periodically to any iPhone within earshot, and also spend some time listening for new instructions that almost never happen.

They have no idea where they are or what their airtag/BLE neighbors, if present, are doing. They don't grok GNSS or wifi. There's nothing for them to triangulate or trilaterate or tri-anything when they're just sitting there.

So yes: They are indeed pretty tidy about energy consumption. They accomplish this in large part by being very simple in normal operation and leaving the heavier lifting to the world of iPhones with relatively enormous batteries that get recharged ~every day.

avipars 19 hours ago||
Problem would be replacing it properly while maintaining it being waterproof.
jazzyjackson 19 hours ago|||
With silicone gaskets this is not an issue.
BugsJustFindMe 19 hours ago|||
It's not waterproof, merely resistant.
sheepscreek 13 hours ago||
Nice! When I wanted a “dumb” smart watch many years ago, I went with a FitBit. I think it matched the features to what this Casio offers minus the HR monitor. Fast forward to now, I use a Garmin Instinct that hits the spot for me. I’ve grown accustomed to the more detailed analytics (HRV and “daily battery” are awesome). Still I’d consider a Casio with more sensors and a solid phone app to give them justice. Anyhow, I own the previous version of this watch and a few other Casios and I still like them for what they are. Gonna hold on to them until I die :)
emsign 1 hour ago|
> A built-in motion sensor automatically tracks your daily steps, with your step count displayed on the LCD screen. Pair with your smartphone via Bluetooth® for automatic time adjustment and easy access to watch settings through the app.

I see and I was wondering why they sold it for £55 only. They collect and sell your personal data.

I'm happy with my original one, thanks.

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