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Posted by rvz 20 hours ago

OpenRouter is joining Stripe(openrouter.ai)
Previously: Stripe will reportedly acquire OpenRouter for $7B+ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49323381
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happybox2016 5 hours ago|
Raw Cookie header test - OpenRouter + Stripe API limits?
Exoristos 17 hours ago||
Routing seems to face a similar future as the ever-changing trends in controlling coding agents: you know, context engineering, loop engineering, etc. --Which is that OpenAI and Anthropic quickly seem to release a better way of doing it, in their own products' harnessing, and which third-party and personal solutions will only conflict with.
dwa3592 19 hours ago||
I guess this makes sense for the scenario when we will use machine intelligence as a currency, maybe 15-20 years from now? - like I can pay 15 minutes of inference for a dozen bananas? and the banana seller uses those 15 minutes to do banana shelling or removing weeds from their farms or whatever i guess when robots are doing everything. right??
yipinwong 19 hours ago||
This won't work because you consider humans as a logical being (Homosapiens is a misnormer).

People will revolt first should one have to trade physical goods (such as food that we need for daily lives) with computing power.

It only takes a few people to incite.

dwa3592 19 hours ago||
i like what you did with misnormer. it's like pobody's nerfect.

you are right, there will be revolt definitely. i think computing power will replace a lot of things though.

yipinwong 17 hours ago||
I agree that the computing power will replace not just softwares and also as many phycial work via robots. I am not smart enough to see further what else are disposable or replaceable
jonahx 19 hours ago|||
I think this is exactly the bet they're making.

I was totally confused by what connected the two companies until I realized "tokens" are basically a nascent, and rapidly growing, "currency".

rossdavidh 19 hours ago|||
Overthinking it. "You have money and need to seem AIish for the stock market, we want real money". You notice they don't do this deal in tokens, they do it in fiat currency.
mbreese 19 hours ago|||
Except that tokens aren’t completely fungible yet. But, I think we’re approaching the point where it is close enough to be a “proof of work” analog.
bluefirebrand 19 hours ago||
I hope we aren't on track for this future and if we are I hope a substantial number of people rebel.

This is among the more hellish futures I can imagine. Our worth as people reduced to how much access we have to compute. Gross.

dwa3592 19 hours ago|||
I hope not;

there are a few assumptions in this future- the biggest one is - we will have to attain a baseline intelligence which is useful for everyone which is not true today. even fable fumbles hard!!

second is that everyone will have to own a medium to use this intelligence (aka robots). like a currency is useless if you can't use it.

to me this is the least daunting scenario. all other scenarios lead to mass slavery.

bluefirebrand 19 hours ago||
> the biggest one is - we will have to attain a baseline intelligence which is useful for everyone which is not true today

That's not the biggest assumption.

The biggest assumption I see is that the population will have the baseline understanding of how to operate in this new paradigm, which seems impossible given how useless many people still are with computers

Incidentally, this is also why I think Bitcoin is such a non-starter for most people

heurist 18 hours ago||||
It doesn't make much sense as compute isn't all that scarce (relative to other commodities) and will be less so in 15 years.
dwa3592 18 hours ago||
Does it have to be scarce for it to become a currency? It just needs to be regulated which I think it will be.
nemomarx 19 hours ago|||
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temp7000 4 hours ago||
"inference is quickly becoming the largest line item for every company." — not really?

"that will remain essential in a post-AGI economy." — ooof. The magical future economy

Mairoce 12 hours ago||
So they essentially resell their enterprise tier access to tokens from each provider while also providing a nice interface/dashboard for their customers?
pranav_tech26 14 hours ago||
Makes total sense. Stripe acquiring OpenRouter is a massive DX win—unified billing for multi-model APIs will save devs huge routing and token-handling headaches.
tdeck 8 hours ago||
I like OpenRouter. Excited to see where their incredible journey takes them.
johnbarron 7 hours ago|
Did you meant this for LinkedIn?
tdeck 6 hours ago||
I was actually thinking of [1] but hopefully it doesn't turn out like that.

[1] https://www.tumblr.com/ourincrediblejourney/89180616013/what...

digitaltrees 13 hours ago||
I am glad it’s so easy to code. All these tools keep getting bought, cursor then this, and I have been able to build my own replacements.
drob518 19 hours ago||
Hm. This seems random. Other than the fact that they are both technology companies, is there anything else that they have in common?
computomatic 18 hours ago||
Stripe is positioning themselves as one of the leading adopters of AI internally. I don't know of public stats but I estimate they're spending on the order of $millions per week on tokens. I assume they've adopted Openrouter and the majority of that spend is going via Openrouter. So they understand the product value, they understand the current gaps, and there's also a threat mitigation. They've likely become very dependent on Openrouter and someone is going to buy it - so they may as well negate the risk to that. (Threat mitigation alone is not worth $7B but it justifies a certain premium.)

They also have very complementary problems and skills. The long-term roadmap for routers is auto-routing; that is, turning traffic into signals into automated decisions. Stripe has a lot of overlapping talent and experience from fraud-detection and likely other products.

computomatic 12 hours ago||
Follow-up: Somehow in all that I forgot the most obvious pairing. Stripe wants to solve how agents pay for things. They’ve been quite open about this. Seems obvious that any solution to that is going to be through the model platform layer - so they just bought a major platform layer.
qurren 19 hours ago|||
Stripe execs said "we should own some AI"

Founders found out that they could finally afford to pay their medical, tax, housing bills if they said yes

OtherShrezzing 19 hours ago|||
One-to-many implementation. Stripe is one api to every bank. Openrouter is one api to every language model.
deely3 18 hours ago|||
And... How do they combine? I really curious.
leros 17 hours ago|||
Their business models are actually kind of similar. Stripe is just passing money between financial institutions and taking a small cut. OpenRouter is basically the same thing. They might have shared ability on how to run an effective pass through business.
drob518 17 hours ago||
So… they’re both middlemen. And that’s enough to justify a $7B acquisition???
leros 16 hours ago||
Apparently. The price does seem high, but the value of a company is based on it's finances. You could argue companies like Google are just middlemen too.
porridgeraisin 18 hours ago|||
My read: The thesis is that token spend is going to be one of the larger input costs to a business in the future. They want token economics to happen on their platform so that the commission that comes out of all of this goes to them. It is not enough that openrouter uses stripe exclusively to interact with banks, since the transactions are expected to not just be tokens for dollars, but tokens for tokens or tokens for specific stablecoins tied to tokens. One of the value adds of stripe is their policy and monitoring layer. With tokens, the polices and monitoring will happen in token-land primarily, not in dollars-land. So if you want to continue demanding commission for those types of things, you have to be able to execute policies on tokens. Tokens can of course be variably priced - I am not claiming # tokens itself has the same value across providers.

The platform also has another value that is not mentioned often. People often mention the devex, which is consumer value. But one of the main things about open router is that they help model providers access a massive distribution channel with smooth demand, as with any aggregator. Similar to the value food delivery apps provide to restaurants. As such, this type of marketplace power has the potential to allow them to charge model providers commissions as well for various services in the future. You can already almost imagine an "auto mode" where they balance improvements to cx (say right sized models for tasks, saving u money) with "ad"/preferential treatment promises tomodel providers. Basically, all the typical middleman stuff.

One of the other companies in this space, ramp, has also started their own router at router.com. See https://x.com/tryramp/status/2090146780512227825

Quoting their rumored leaked investor letter dated Aug 19 26 below:

Zooming out, we see capital and intelligence are becoming the two digital flows undergirding every business. Up until now, every developer has needed a straightforward and reliable way to manage their revenue pipeline, and serving this need gave rise to Stripe. Going forward, however, every developer will also need a straightforward and reliable way to manage their intelligence pipeline. This observation first led us to OpenRouter. OpenRouter has built the world's largest and most trusted token routing engine, supporting all major models and providers, and beloved by its customers....We think that there are deeper reasons to pursue integration besides convenience. Our experience in working with our customers has led us to realize that intelligence is special: it is expensive, heterogeneous, and constantly changing. As with financial capital, businesses must reason about cost and return of every unit in a deliberate and granular way. How valuable is this task? With which models can it be best handled? Who will pay, and when, and what is the time-value of that delay? We have seen the parallels between managing intelligence and managing capital directly in our own products. Radar, for example, was initially designed to prevent financial fraud, but is proving extremely effective at guarding against token fraud at many of the world's largest A1 companies. Metronome (used by Anthropic, Nvidia, and other industry leaders) is showing that metered billing in an AI context is inseparable from token serving and consumption itself.

znnajdla 19 hours ago|||
Both are the most popular developer api in their space.
solidasparagus 18 hours ago|||
One of the main real values of OpenRouter is that it is a single payment relationship for users that enables access to many downstream vendors. I'm not super convinced it is a good purchase, but right now OpenRouter is the financial middleman for token spend. It is also the centralization point for tokens, allowing for value-add features that are industry-wide, for example budgets - and I think that structure has parallels to Stripe products like Checkout or Identity.
m12k 17 hours ago|||
Stripe has a lot of money, but not a lot of AI-buzzword compliance. OpenRouter is highly AI-buzzword compliant, but doesn't have a lot of money. It's a match made in heaven
swatcoder 19 hours ago|||
In the event that the AI bubble doesn't burst, Stripe needs to have a stake in whatever's coming. They have time to explore and pursue specific strategies, but they just needed to make some big and compatible buy.

In this particular case, OpenRouter represents a M x N bridging and enhancement layer much like Stripe themselves, and so must address a lot of parallel technical, dealmaking, accounting, and legal challenges.

It may not be obvious on the surface because they seem to be working in such different domain, but they have to address a lot of the same problems in comparable ways and that makes it a pretty darn good fit.

verdverm 18 hours ago|||
Taking a % cut on top of every operation
lukewarm707 16 hours ago|||
greed
Taikhoom10 19 hours ago||
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upheaval7276 18 hours ago||
please stop subjecting us to your Ai slop articles
thataccount 17 hours ago|
Oh joy! Stripe is getting to be an even larger beast! Happy day!
giarc 16 hours ago|
That's either sarcasm as you are not a fan of Stripe, or actual joy if you are an employee of Stripe holding stock.
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