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Posted by iand 7 hours ago

IPFS Maintainers Winding Down(ipshipyard.com)
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zeafoamrun 4 hours ago|
Is anyone aware of where IPFS community discussion is taking place? The forum seems almost dead and the community page has broken discord and matrix links.
jackinloadup 5 hours ago||
I hope this doesn't signal the decline of ipfs overall. I really would like to see an internet where content addressed routing is a thing.
thataccount 5 hours ago||
What makes/made IPFS special was how it could be seen with relative ease on the standard internet. That feature allowed it to bypass censorship. I cannot say I am surprised that the funding was not re-upped since it seems like the modern web really loves censoring the crap out of things.

Edited: I also liked how it bypassed the traditional domain system.

JuniperMesos 4 hours ago|
These are good qualities in general; but it's worth asking why this anti-censorship technology required funding from one organization (Protocol Labs) that could cut off that funding and now has done so. Being economically non-viable without grants is one way that anti-censorship technology is ineffective at its stated goal.
thataccount 3 hours ago||
My guess is they banked on Web 3 and now want to pivot to AI instead of vast storage of data.
r3trohack3r 3 hours ago||
If you are a believer in projects like IPFS and want to work on it full time, email me.

We are building systems that live in the same space as projects like IPFS, Secure Scuttlebutt, Automerge, Tailscale, etc.

For folks who are already experts in this space, able to come in and hit the ground running, remote is an option.

For high growth folks, we have in-person in Austin.

For folks w/ a U.S. security clearance - we have in-person in DC.

ruined 6 hours ago||
has protocol labs itself made any kind of announcement? i don't see anything on the blog
chriswarbo 6 hours ago|
Just checked protocol labs site and... holy shit:

> Protocol Labs is an innovation network driving breakthroughs in computing to push humanity forward. PL connects more than 750 tech startups, funds, accelerators, foundations, open source projects, service providers, and other organizations.

What happened to them? Seems like they drank their own "Web3" Fla-Vor-Aid.

throwawayffffas 6 hours ago||
Always found ipfs and the whole "web 3.0" company to be incredibly obtuse to work with especially compared to previous peer to peer networks like bit-torrent.

I could never shake the feeling there is an unnecessary layer of grift embedded in all the protocols.

mickael-kerjean 5 hours ago||
Kubo is absolutly amazing, is there a group of people interested in keeping kubo alive? If so I'd love to join that conversation
aftbit 4 hours ago||
I tried to query a lot of resources (NFT images, many of which are/were hosted on IPFS) from IPFS myself using the official Go server, running on some pretty fast/wide hardware, for a good part of 2021 and 2022. It was a dumpster fire. Here are two specific problems that I remember, though I ran into several more. First, the UDP storm that it created somehow broke my network, where all of my switches gave up and just started sending all of its traffic to all of the nodes on the network. That could have been a "me" thing but it really made it hard to trust. I ended up having to give that server its own VLAN. Second, the caching was brain dead. By default, it would write every resource to the cache even if I was just using it to download them to a local directory, so it wrote everything twice. Even worse, when the cache was full, it would just drop the whole cache, which created huge spikes in IO util. I ended up patching the app to remove caching.

It felt like a really cool demo that never got cleaned up to work as a real production product.

Animats 4 hours ago|
Ouch.

Remember Filecoin? The original concept was that you could buy perpetual storage with a one time payment. It was funded by a crypto asset which was a derivative of mass storage prices, or something like that. Lighthouse supposedly sold such a product.[1] They no longer do.[2]

[1] https://www.lighthouse.storage/blogs/Permanent%20Storage%20P...

[2] https://www.lighthouse.storage/pricing

ryanshahine 3 hours ago||
Filecoin never marketed perpetual storage with a one time payment. Lighthouse is a standalone company.
jMyles 6 hours ago||
I publish all of my music in ways that are pirate-friendly, which for the moment just means Bit Torrent and IPFS.

See: https://pickipedia.xyz/wiki/Cryptograss:Delivery-kid

If IPFS is starting to wane, does anyone else have a suggestion of a replacement about which I might start to educate my fans?

haunter 5 hours ago||
See I thought if IPFS was picked up by the piracy scene (some bigger private trackers for example) then it probably would have been more successful. Alas I haven't seen it outside of libgen and even there I thought it was a backup option only.
hiccuphippo 3 hours ago||
I always thought it could be the evolution of Bittorrent: updatable torrents (with IPNS), peers sharing files from different "bundles" as long as the bits match.

The problem was that there was no good client for it that was better than current torrent clients. When I tested it you had to keep a duplicate of the files in the ipfs cache directory and the client was CLI based which would alienate most users. There's probably no way to have private trackers or to track seed/leech ratios for communities too.

fwip 2 hours ago||
It was also pretty slow (download rate wise), even if the destination and source node had a good link between them. I think the protocol had a lot of back-and-forth chatter, requesting blocks a few a time.
scirob 5 hours ago|||
also still getting used in some libgen sci-hub mirrors
TiredOfLife 4 hours ago||
Hyphanet (nee Freenet)
zeafoamrun 6 hours ago|
I wasn't aware of the relationship between Shipyard and Protocol Labs but it looks like Protocol Labs spun out maintenance and development of a lot of core IPFS technology to a new company called Shipyard, with the idea of cordoning off what was a cost center to Protocol Labs, and the hope was that Shipyard would be able to find other sources of revenue beyond the services funding they got from Protocol Labs.

I'm personally quite disappointed because I just built an IPFS based system built on top of Kubo that I was hoping would take off. Now this throws future maintenance of Kubo into question.

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