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Posted by Hbruz0 17 hours ago

Don't Wordle(dontwordle.com)
327 points | 117 comments
amiga386 16 hours ago|
12935 -> TIZZY (5625) -> OXBOW (2674) -> GRUFF (858) -> MAMMA (195) and I'll let you guess the rest but my next choice left 43 words, and I survived with only 4 words possible.

The rules not letting use a letter you know isn't in the target word drastically cuts your choices, your best bet is to use as few unique letters per word as you can, and as uncommon letters as you can, but as all normal words need vowels you'll be forced into only picking a vowel from the target word soon enough. Try to find letters that are in the word as late as possible so you're not locked into having to use them.

Once you are forced to use letters from the target word, avoid placing them in the right place. Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA), and a rule for not letting you put a known letter in a place you know it doesn't go (so after MAMMA, you can't have HALVE because you know there's not an A in second place, nor ALPHA because you know there's not an A in fifth place).

SkiFire13 14 hours ago||
> Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA)

This is not entirely correct (or at least it's worded a bit weirdly).

If you know that A goes in a certain place you can still try a word using A more than once. It's only once you know that A does not appear twice (because you tried a word containing A twice, and the second A way gray!) then you can no longer use A twice.

In your case you tried MAMMA which contained 2 As and the second one gave you the information that there's no second A.

gpvos 11 hours ago||
Are there no words with the same letter three or more times?
forbiddenvoid 10 hours ago|||
If there was a second of the same letter, but in the wrong place, it would be yellow. If it's gray, that means there is no repetition of that letter. So once you've seen that the second one is gray, you have the information you need to know that letter is not repeated.
fwip 9 hours ago||||
Mamma has 3 M's.
stirfish 10 hours ago|||
Grepping /usr/share/dict/words shows 110 words that have five letters and the same letter 3 or more times, e.g. sassy, added, daddy, nanny, melee, levee, mummy
noknownsender 7 hours ago||
It also accepted GEESE
amiga386 15 hours ago|||
The best I could do with today's word, and the wordlist, but no scoring function to minmax the rules:

- FUFFY (8159) (shipping of Faith and Buffy from Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

- IMMIX (4544) (to mix or blend)

- ZOCCO (2142) (low plinth, from the Italian word for sock)

- QAJAQ (530) (alternative form of kayak)

- TRATT (155) (clipping of trattoria)

- KHAPH (7) (alternative form of khaf, the 11th letter of the Hebrew alphabet)

I get the feeling that if this game had 7 steps instead of 6, it would almost always be impossible.

ErikCorry 10 hours ago|||
Theoretically, you could still win today's if there were 8 steps. The ninth is the word you have to avoid.

I haven't found a way to win today with 9 steps.

https://gist.github.com/erikcorry/b21723a0ba49c044b03a6030dc...

Edit: Using some of your words you can get to 9 steps (10 including the word you have to avoid): https://gist.github.com/erikcorry/d55d263b129eb7a56c8c212296...

Lerc 13 hours ago|||
I had two word possibilities left at the end, so it's possible.
gowld 14 hours ago||
> Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA),

That rule doesn't make sense.

What if the answer is AORTA, and you want to guess ALBUM and then ALPHA?

amiga386 13 hours ago||
The sibling comment pointed it out; MAMMA is revealed with one yellow A and one grey A, meaning it has told you there's only one A. If the answer was AORTA, then both As in MAMMA would be yellow.
dylan604 13 hours ago||
> If the answer was AORTA, then both As in MAMMA would be yellow

Why would the last A be yellow and not green? It's the correct letter in the correct location. MAMMA should be gray, yellow, gray, gray, green.

amiga386 9 hours ago||
Oops, yes. In that case, if the answer was AGAIN, both As in MAMMA would be yellow (as opposed to one yellow one grey)
Angostura 16 hours ago||
If you enjoy clicking things you can spend hours in their cookie consent boxes untickinv the several hundred individual ‘legitimate interest’ tick boxes for individual vendors
wlesieutre 15 hours ago||
Only hundreds? I ended up on Thingiverse by accident yesterday it’s

  RESPONSIBLE USE OF YOUR DATA
  We and our 1022 partners…
thi2 15 hours ago|||
No reject all button means a closed tab.
coldpie 15 hours ago|||
It's your browser's job to protect you, not the website's. There's no guarantee that a "reject all" button does anything, anyway. Instead, just dismiss the banner however and clear the site's cookies in the browser when you're done. On Firefox, you can clear your cookies in 3 clicks, use the little button on the left side of the URL bar and hit "Clear cookies and site data" and then Confirm.
pyrale 14 hours ago|||
Cookie consent usually also covers fingerprinting. Clearing cookies won't protect you from that, not giving your consent may in some jurisdictions.
coldpie 14 hours ago||
Has that ever been enforced? I don't see any real reason to trust that clicking on a div actually does anything.
tedmiston 14 hours ago|||
*browser extensions' job
gear54rus 16 hours ago||
Ublock seems to work with this one.
dec0dedab0de 15 hours ago||
Yeah, I didn't even see the popup
dontwordle 11 hours ago||
Wow I can't believe this showed up on the front page years later. That's fun! I am still new to using Google AdSense and am enjoying the wrath of HN on this thread! Hope everyone can still enjoy the game today. Thank you for the feedback!
flexie 16 hours ago||
We are asked to allow hundreds of cookies, not just a few, to play the game.
Madmallard 16 hours ago|
yes top of hacker news and loaded with tracking information and a popular game so likely to garner lots of attention
inigyou 16 hours ago||
What website isn't?

The most shocking part is that Americans care about appearing to follow GDPR, for some reason. For example, HN blatantly doesn't comply and doesn't plan to.

snowwrestler 14 hours ago|||
There are now some U.S. state laws that impose requirements for notice and consent.
VonGallifrey 16 hours ago|||
> HN blatantly doesn't comply

What about HN doesn't comply with GDPR? It does not seem to have tracking cookies.

masfuerte 15 hours ago||
Apparently they won't delete your old comments if you ask them to.

I'm someone who goes to somewhat absurd lengths to avoid tracking, but HN's policy doesn't bother me because I know the data exists elsewhere and deleting it here won't make a jot of difference to that.

tialaramex 15 hours ago||
I'm not entirely sure they'd need to comply. The question is what the purpose of the data being collected was, but seems to me that if you emphasise the whole idea that this is a conversation (which HN does in several ways) then actually "We don't delete comments" is defensible.

If I'm reading a thread about a problem I'm having in a video game on Reddit and it goes "This is very frustrating because I can't get a rabbit to teleport", then a reply which is [deleted] and then "Oh! Thanks so much, I'd never have figured that out" I'm in exactly the same place as the original poster, but now with the additional agony of knowing that there was a correct solution and that it's hard to figure out what it is - ugh.

inigyou 15 hours ago||
Right to be forgotten is part of GDPR even though most people only think of cookie banners. There's no one-click export, either.
tialaramex 14 hours ago|||
Like most of the GDPR "Right to be forgotten" is not an absolute right. As you'll quickly discover when you insist that the bank needs to "forget" that you owe them a lot of money, there are plenty of legitimate reasons they can decline to "forget" you despite your invocation of a "right".
awsglkhj 12 hours ago|||
That's cute. Your records are yours. Barring some agreement to the contrary, I have no right to mess with them or inspect them, even if they contain information about me.
gpvos 11 hours ago||
That's an interesting opinion, but EU law says the opposite.
awsglkhj 11 hours ago||
EU law only matters to those subject to it.
inigyou 11 hours ago||
Which is why I questioned American websites complying with GDPR, and pointed out that HN doesn't feel any need to.
markkat 14 hours ago||
Nice. I play Last Word daily.

https://dragonfjord.com/lastword/

It's the same goal, but everyone starts with the same word each day, which does not include any letters in the "last word".

No undos in Last Word. My average is 8.7 letters. Really hoping to get it to 9.

hollylawly 16 hours ago||
Of course the one time I get it in 2 guesses is in this version
bonzini 16 hours ago|
Got to the sixth attempt, 2 words remaining, of course I picked the right one.
stavros 16 hours ago||
I picked the right one out of twelve.
amiga386 16 hours ago||
Having 12 options possible on the last guess is actually very good.
stavros 16 hours ago||
It was only my last guess because I lost :P I had three remaining.
weedfroglozenge 2 hours ago||
This game got surprisingly big for what once was an LLM prompt "Create an opposite version of wordle and throw AdSense on it"
rylando 17 hours ago||
Well this sure makes Wordle feel a lot easier!
whoisnjogu 16 hours ago|
and I still can't believe it took me more than 3 guesses
MarioMan 10 hours ago||
In the same vein, last year I took on a good old fashioned optimization problem for Worlde. Given a guess list and answer list, find all of the “perfectly bad” Worlde games in the shortest time. This means never reusing letters or finding any of the letters in the word. I got it from over 35 hours down to a mere 20 seconds.

Results and code here: https://github.com/SMarioMan/worst-wordle

gcr 5 hours ago|
This is great!

A couple years ago I adapted a quite similar concept for the PUCO 8: https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?pid=106664 My version allowed players to re-use letters though. Yours is much more interesting and challenging.

I remember being pretty proud of my compression system that let me fit several thousands of words on the cartridge.

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