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Posted by thm 18 hours ago

Apple caught off guard by AI demand for Mac Mini and Mac Studio(www.macrumors.com)
383 points | 423 commentspage 4
taskoutputs2k 18 hours ago|
just a real bummer that they raised the prices so much
Danox 6 hours ago||
Which is why Apple is going to need to design around again and do something about that in house if you can design and engineer a processor or a modem you can certainly do something about memory and SSD’s, Apple buying PA Semi, Intrinsity and Anobit led to Apple Silicon, buying Infineon led to a new Apple modem the capabilities is there and the money is there in house it may take two-four years but long-term I don’t think there is any other choice.

One thing to watch for when Apple introduces the new phones coming up shortly is whether or not Apple has replaced Qualcomm in their flagship smart phones because that is coming up soon Qualcomm has given warning to their investors.

AlexandrB 18 hours ago|||
I suspect it can't be helped at this point. RAM is the new gold. Valve even had to increase the price for a 4 year old piece of hardware[1].

[1] https://tech-insider.org/ca/steam-deck-price-increase-2026/

lenerdenator 18 hours ago|||
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DarmokTanagra 17 hours ago||
They use the datacenters for that.
lenerdenator 12 hours ago||
No, that's for generating the hot air used to help inflate their egos. Heating is a very separate line item on the budget.
DarmokTanagra 9 hours ago||
Ah you're right, I have a hard time distinguishing the difference between hot air and SV dev farts.
snarkyturtle 18 hours ago|||
It definitely puts it out of the range of every day users but a non-insignificant proportion of people who use it for ai have become multi-millionaires because of ai. So there's definitely no shortage of people who have no problem paying those high prices.
bigyabai 14 hours ago|||
> but a non-insignificant proportion of people who use it for ai have become multi-millionaires because of ai

I can't even name one person who fits this mold, let alone a non-insignificant proportion of people. Who are you thinking of?

noman-land 18 hours ago|||
Citation needed.
VCFundedGenYer 16 hours ago||
I don't know if you're young, or new to this industry, or what, but take a look around - the prices went up across the board. It's not just Apple.
evanjrowley 14 hours ago||
I imagine Apple could also grow their business in the EU by marketing to companies who want powerful AI features but can't leverage 3rd party AI services due to GDPR. If only they could come up with iOS, App Store, and developer policies that respect the sovereignty of the EU.
esotericsean 8 hours ago||
Imagine if Apple truly went the route of local AI and every Mac came with a fully local, open weight Siri. They could put Anthropic and OpenAI out of business.
dhosek 8 hours ago|
Presumably this is on their roadmap. The Jobs-era thing would be to come in with something that people on HN would say, “yeah, I could do this myself with open source tools” but in practice falls into the category of “I could build this $30 thing for $15 for parts and then another $15 for the parts I had to replace because I screwed up the build the first time and then $30 to just buy the damn thing” that would really blow non-HN people away even if it is more expensive than most other local computing systems, but I don’t know what the Ternus-era Apple will be like.
Danox 6 hours ago||
Apple is almost certainly building the software end of it to go along with the computers that they currently sell to the public they have the time to do it right because their biggest competition in that area would be Microsoft, but Microsoft is currently listing at sea with Copilot, Xbox, and the Surface line of computers.

Memory probably is the biggest holdup/obstacle at this moment.

api 17 hours ago||
Apple has a huge opportunity here to lead the market for machines to run local models if they step into it. Their stuff is already better than what nVidia is offering with stuff like the DGX Spark.

It's a niche market but it's a market that overlaps heavily with professionals in the AI space and lead developers, so it's a market that gets them customers in those roles.

If I were running Apple I'd call the RAM price bubble for what it is and temporarily eat some margin to offer machines with more RAM than competitors, especially these models that are great for edge AI, and capture market share.

mwcampbell 3 hours ago||
> Their stuff is already better than what nVidia is offering with stuff like the DGX Spark.

How so? In tokens per second when running major open-weights models, or something else?

Danox 6 hours ago|||
Apple isn’t the company that eats margins but they are company that would design around the problem and I think that’s what they will do after all, they have the design and engineering and plenty of money because they didn’t burn it on AI models or data centers.
bigyabai 14 hours ago||
Apple doesn't design GPUs on-par with Nvidia's efficiency yet. They need an architectural overhaul to be a serious competitor, which is what I'm expecting is queued up for M7.

Nvidia has CUDA, AMD has CDNA, and Apple has... compute shaders, I guess?

nicce 12 hours ago|||
> Apple doesn't design GPUs on-par with Nvidia's efficiency yet

How much it matters in inference? Most GPUs have enough computing for that and the bottleneck is the RAM speed and size. And M5 Ultra is becoming to challenge this.

bigyabai 11 hours ago||
For prefill, it's basically all that matters. Long-horizon agent tasks, session compaction, file reads and context manipulation will all hit the compute bottleneck in regular usage, incurring several minutes of latency on most Apple Silicon chips, regardless of RAM.

It's kinda why memory bandwidth is an enormous red herring, even for datacenter applications. Nvidia's huge advantage is a compute-optimized GPU architecture and their Infiniband networking, their memory controllers aren't really the star of the show.

Danox 6 hours ago||||
Probably two generations away. I’m more interested in how much uplift/speed and more importantly what is the power usage is required for the new computers Apple is shipping particularly for the Studio versions.
newsclues 6 hours ago|||
Apple has metal and mlx
hzwanip 17 hours ago||
Off guard? :'D
throw9399383838 17 hours ago|
Apple did not raise prices fast enough
RagnarD 5 hours ago||
Translation: Tim Cook was caught off guard.
dogscatstrees 9 hours ago|
Were they really caught off guard or is it a long-term play by Apple who knows that consumers may just want machines capable of local models. Build-or-buy (subscribe) options. I for one would get a Mac Studio over a DGX Spark because you get a general Mac machine as a bonus. The big news is Apple being caught off guard by Nvidia buying Hugging Face. That should have been Apple's.
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