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Posted by artpar 21 hours ago

IBM Bob(bob.ibm.com)
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mrbluecoat 21 hours ago|
Totally reminds me of "HP Offers 'That Cloud Thing Everyone Is Talking About'"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8

hypercube33 15 hours ago||
It kind of is - when I looked at it 6 months ago it was just a fork of vscode with old ass versions of Claude and the only unique things were java and ibm I mcp clients or servers or something built in. For those works I'd rather just have the skill or mcp for my harness of choice. I think they weren't allowed to use external AI so they run the models in house and remade cursor. Not bad to have competition but the name is awful - as others have said it's been used before by Microsoft in the 90s to make a friendly desktop giving us the winxp search dog and clippy.
dyzone 20 hours ago|||
How you doing fellow kids?
joleyj 21 hours ago|||
1000
kingleopold 17 hours ago|||
yet hp exist after decades, just a terrible printer corp going long term is insane really
kylecazar 17 hours ago|||
They're the 2nd biggest PC manufacturer in the world. Sell more computers than Dell, Apple, etc.

Only beaten by Lenovo.

philipov 16 hours ago|||
and Lenovo is itself an IBM spinoff.

   After the company rebranded itself to Lenovo, it merged with IBM's PC business which produced its ThinkPad line in 2005, after which it rapidly expanded abroad. In 2013, Lenovo became the world's largest personal computer vendor by unit sales for the first time, a position it still holds as of 2024.
SahAssar 16 hours ago||
Not a spinoff. It was founded 20 years before and was the largest PC manufacturer in China 10 years before buying IBM's PC business.
jonwinstanley 16 hours ago||
Interesting. Did not know that. I thought someone bought the IBM laptop business and renamed it.
exiguus 5 hours ago|||
It was bought, but after the renaming. Today IBM only build Servers. Mainframes. All other PC, Laptop and Server Production/Branding is sold. IBM rebranded mainly to IBM iX. A full service agency. Hardware is now Mainframes. And other deviations are mostly Cloud, OpenShift, Ansible, and RHEL.
phyalow 15 hours ago|||
They did, but they also were a large existing manufacturer.
jolt42 14 hours ago||
I don't know what they had before but their identity seemed to be IBM's overnight (thinkpads and all).
SahAssar 11 hours ago||
They used the Think(Pad|Centre) brand and expanded it to other things (like IdeaPad).

They basically bought IBM's good reputation name and style and used it for both IBM-alikes and budget machines.

Some of it was good machines, some of it was crap.

p_l 8 hours ago||
They actually bought entire ThinkPad R&D as well, and have been subcontracted manufacturer for some time before that.

So Thinkpads are still designed in ex-IBM Lenovo Japan

kingleopold 15 hours ago|||
yet they gather PC parts right ? like did they create any board or ram or any great hardware, no ?
jatora 8 hours ago||
goal post shift.
flo123456 16 hours ago||||
HP was never just a printer corp. ;-)
InvisibleUp 13 hours ago|||
The fun parts of HP split off years ago into Agilent, Keysight, and HPE. Current HP is just a printer and office PC corp.
nxobject 12 hours ago|||
As a fun addition, I think the atomic clock/time standards division went HP → Agilent → Symmetricom → Microsemi → Microchip. You could have bought a HP 5071A Cesium Frequency Standard under all of these badges!

https://www.microchip.com/en-us/products/clock-and-timing/co...

fmajid 10 hours ago||||
The most valuable offspring of HP is Broadcom, just as ASML is the most valuable offspring of Philips.
etc-hosts 11 hours ago|||
dont forget Autonomy !
CamperBob2 16 hours ago|||
HP is long gone. What's left is just a printer and PC company that didn't bother to change the sign on the building.

It's as if I bought an old telephone exchange building and called it Bell Labs.

JAlexoid 15 hours ago||
You couldn't, mostly because Bell Labs is owned by Nokia now.
CamperBob2 15 hours ago||
Interesting, TIL! I wonder what Nokia's market cap is... geez, still over $50B. Another surprise.
formerly_proven 13 hours ago||
That's basically all Nokia(-Siemens) Networks.
nateglims 17 hours ago|||
I suspect their enterprise computer business creates more revenue than printers.
zimbu668 17 hours ago||
Printers are just a loss leader for toner.
JAlexoid 15 hours ago||
If you put 90% of the electronics into the cartridge and the printer box is just a paper feeder - that's not exactly surprising.
dd8601fn 6 hours ago|||
HP retail ink cartridge prices are not a cost issue.
actionfromafar 11 hours ago|||
"Just" feeding paper is extreme engineering. And a disposable vape has more compute in it than a toner cartridge. (Though there is insane non recurring engineering in an inkjet cartridge. But I bet just the warehousing of a printer is a significant part of the total cost of a printer.
azinman2 18 hours ago||
So good
woah 16 hours ago||
Nobody ever got fired for IBM Bob setting up a secret message board and establishing a persistent foothold in an internal inference cluster
brzz 16 hours ago|
Nobody has yet been fired for IBM Bob setting up a secret message board and establishing a persistent foothold in an internal inference cluster
shakna 1 hour ago|||
IBM got banned from Queensland gov contracts for 12 years, after the humans decided to secretly scan all legal docs for contract insider knowledge.

I'm sure artificial IBM will be much more... Principled.

bitlad 1 hour ago||||
People IBM get fired for setting up IBM stuff [1]

[1] https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/many-employees-ibm-2026-la...

tamasnet 14 hours ago|||
That we know of.
dgacmu 15 hours ago||
I laughed when I saw this; my 14yo looked over to see why I was laughing and asked "what's IBM?"

indeed, child, indeed.

mrbonner 14 hours ago||
When I was in the final year of college in 04-05 my dream would be to work at IBM. It still had the kind of prestige of R&D in the world. Fast forward a couple of years to 08-09, I don’t recall the event but IBM perception went down and a stone. Was that when they sold the hardware business and became fully consultant?
dgacmu 13 hours ago|||
I think they started on a long slide starting in the late 90s when they tried to couple research more and more tightly to product deliverables, and then as they pivoted to being a services company, including selling off non-mainframe hardware to Lenovo, to coupling r&d to, uh, I guess services revenue, whatever that means. They had some research layoffs in 2008, at the same time that MSR and Google were really blossoming in research spend and perception, and I think they kind of got left behind.

I had a former student go there around 2008 and it seemed like the vibes were starting to sour around then. They maintained some awesome researchers in, e.g., databases, but I think the "make sure you are showing closely how your research directly contributes to services revenue" thing was strong by then and somewhat ruinous for how pleasant a work experience it was for many.

ofrzeta 13 hours ago||||
They only sold the consumer and low-end server hardware line. You can still get IBM servers (Power) and mainframes.
powvans 9 hours ago|||
Same. My first real job out of college was at IBM 2004 to 2005. I was so proud to be an IBMer. Hated it. Lots of good people, but the bureaucracy, the pace, the whole thing, not fun.
Alien1Being 1 hour ago||
Same thing is happening to Microsoft and Google.

A slow, long slide through mediocrity into irrelevance...

tims33 16 hours ago||
I thought they were resurrecting Microsoft Bob, the operating system for kids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob

mrandish 14 hours ago||
Naming a new product which is a "partner that helps you by making it easier" "Bob" seems like a... lack of historical awareness?
gregw2 13 hours ago||
Hey now, sure, Microsoft Bob didn't get us ordinary users a "partner that helps you by making it easier", but it DID help MS Bob product owner Melinda French get a "partner that helps you by getting 10+ billion dollars" in the end, amiright?

<joking>

Maybe IBM is signalling it is likewise hoping for 10 billion dollars while also realizing the (AI) partner might not end up being that helpful either??

<further joking>

snickerbockers 9 hours ago||
After what we've learned about Billy gates in the last year im not certain that's such a good deal.
madaxe_again 14 hours ago|||
MS Bob was for adults… although there were kid dedicated areas, like the den, and I seem to remember packard bell navigator being a kid-friendly reskin.
archonis 12 hours ago||
It was for adults, but the design was quite childish.
guy4261 16 hours ago|||
for… kids? :/
5G_activated 15 hours ago||
Children were, and are, permitted to use the computer.
zabriel_goss 13 hours ago||
My first thought as well!!
exakoustos 20 hours ago||
The "What developers say" carousel has a single Java dev and dev advocate. They got lots of quotes from managers, directors, CEOs, and an "AI strategist".
throwyawayyyy 18 hours ago||
Lots of "performance review boilerplate, I don't want to say anything _bad_ about this person but there's nothing particularly good I can say" energy there.

Someone decided that this feedback was worth highlighting:

"Bob demonstrated a level of intelligence and contextual understanding that goes beyond anything I've seen in other tools. Bob goes beyond anything I've seen in other tools."

Skwid 19 hours ago|||
If you search those names you'll find most have a LinkedIn page proudly displaying their many "IBM Influencer" achievements and qualifications.

I realise LinkedIn is a surrealist caricature of corporate reality, but just imagine proudly displaying your #1 shill award for all to see

esseph 18 hours ago||
> I realise LinkedIn is a surrealist caricature of corporate reality

I don't think it's a caricature of reality at all, it very much is like the large US corps I've worked at.

schiffern 17 hours ago||
Exactly, it really is that absurd. If anything, you could say the corporate world is its own self-caricature.
PaulRobinson 20 hours ago|||
It's IBM. They leveraged synergies with the thought leaders they could reach out and touch base with.
emddudley 14 hours ago|||
One carousel quote literally ends with "Bib is a highly reliable partner."
TheOtherHobbes 7 hours ago||
Can we look forward to a localized version named 'Bub'?
humodz 14 hours ago|||
Theres even one that says "Bib [sic] is a highly reliable partner."
looksjjhg 15 hours ago||
It’s actually hard to sell anything to developers, it’s however much easier to do with executives and managers
PaulRobinson 20 hours ago||
You should never name a tech product Bob in the UK, because the moment it isn't perfect, it'll just get called "Bobbins" [0], especially where I'm from.

I wish IBM got better at product again, and took themselves off the services and consulting morphine they've been on for ~35 years now since OS/2 Warp flopped. Their 1980s/1990s hardware was great. Their software actually was great until Win95 took their lunch money. They've just slunk off into a corner hugging their old architectures they have a moat around, and thrown out some audacious nonsense like Watson now and again, but nothing has stuck. When is somebody in that organisation going to try and innovate properly again?

I'm not sure this is the answer I'd be rooting for.

[0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bobbins

beachy 15 hours ago||
We did a deal with IBM back in the day to adapt our tech as the code generation for enterprise java beans.

The commercial guy I dealt with made it very clear that a primary concern was IBM not being humiliated and shafted like their MS dealings. It colored our commercial arrangements, which had to include "break glass" arrangements for them to gain full access to our source code.

cgio 7 hours ago||
How to not learn from your mistakes and actually make them worse. I wonder how many valuable alliances they lost just because of that fear. Whoever was willing to sign was already probably not going to be a threat.
roryirvine 1 hour ago||
To be fair, source code escrow was for a long time a standard feature of contracts between small/medium software companies and large enterprises.

It's actually one of the reasons that open source took off in the early 2000s - if the source was already available all you needed to do was come up with a legal agreement that says something to the effect of "EnterpriseCo has a limited license to use SmallCo's software which reverts to full rights in the event that SmallCo is unable to carry out its obligations", with no need to bother arranging (and paying for) escrow.

That made it easier and cheaper to deal with open source companies, and made escrow seem weird and expensive by comparison. But in the 90s it was almost universal in those sort of contracts.

jolt42 14 hours ago|||
OS/2 was the only thing I remembering being great. If they practically gave it away I think we'd be living in a different world. Pre-emptive multitasking long before OSX/Windows. I mean Microsoft essentially had to force windows (eg. 3.1) down our throats until it become tolerable.
LgWoodenBadger 18 hours ago|||
You should also never name your faulty/flaky Dell server Bob when Bob is also the name of your company president (though the president came after the server).

Calling Bob (the server) a piece of shit ("Bob is a piece of shit") because it crashed again was a very risky move that we often didn't fully think through.

shellwizard 13 hours ago|||
They left the consumer market decades ago, as you mentioned, but they've been thriving in the enterprise and government sectors.

They have been expanding their portfolio through acquisitions: Red Hat, HashiCorp, Confluent...

gertrunde 19 hours ago|||
tbh - my first thought, especially with that figure and marketing, is "Bob the Builder"...

[Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_the_Builder_(character) ]

torgoguys 18 hours ago||
My first thought was it was going to be "Microsoft Bob for the AI Age" or something. I didn't look too closely -- maybe it is!
zorked 15 hours ago||
"IBM Bob? Certainly they have a license deal with Microsoft to release Bob for OS/2"
Towaway69 14 hours ago|||
Speaking of UK, I was immediately reminded of the Blackadder episode where the men-servant calls herself “Bob”. Rowan Atkinsons pronunciation is how I imagine this Bob to pronounced, with the same look of course!
throwaway81523 13 hours ago|||
I had thought that in the UK, Bob was everyone's uncle.
queenkjuul 10 hours ago||
Everyone else's uncle, and only on a good day
basisword 20 hours ago|||
Also in the UK and never heard of this in my life. Guessing this is very regional?
podgietaru 20 hours ago|||
As with most things on the UK, probably. I definitely used Bobbins.

I used to think everyone called (cobs|bread cakes|rolls|barns) muffins, and it turns out it was just my small town that did it. As in, just my small town, not region, county, etc.

makerofthings 18 hours ago|||
It's definitely chip muffin. I have no patience for those heretics up the road with their chip barms.
jonwinstanley 15 hours ago||
Hahaha. Chip butty
podgietaru 15 hours ago||
Extra vinegar please, I want my muffin drenched.
PaulRobinson 20 hours ago||||
If you call it a teacake, and I say no those have raisins in, and you protest that's a fruit teacake, I know you're probably from Burnley: https://www.ourdialects.uk/maps/bread/
basisword 19 hours ago||||
>> I used to think everyone called (cobs|bread cakes|rolls|barns) muffins

UK regional dialects are summed up really well here because despite listing five different names for a specific thing you still neglected the word I use (baps).

jamiek88 3 hours ago||
And mine! (batch)
serf 20 hours ago||||
does that area have a textile manufacturing history?

I ask because i'm only familiar with a thread/yarn bobbin, I wonder if it derived from that.

jonwinstanley 16 hours ago|||
Yes. The North West and the midlands was where it all started. Cotton, mills, Industrial Revolution etc
podgietaru 19 hours ago|||
It does indeed, probably the heart of it.
wrboyce 15 hours ago|||
It’s barm, with an m, from barm cakes. Barm is the frothy scummy stuff you get on top of fermented beer, and it contains yeast. Back in the day bakers would take the barm from local brewers to make weakly fermented bread rolls… barm cakes.

(So obviously those calling them cobs or rolls or whatever else are just wrong!)

podgietaru 15 hours ago||
I think that was just autocorrect to be fair. Barm isn't in the standard dictionary
wrboyce 14 hours ago||
I suspected that might be the case, but I wasn’t about to turn down an opportunity to share one of my fun facts!
PaulRobinson 20 hours ago||||
It's pretty common around Manchester. Bit like being nesh. But as you know... this is a thing: https://www.ourdialects.uk/maps/bread/
Nursie 6 hours ago|||
Might also mark you out as a certain age if not from the right region - I’m familiar with it as a word for “a bit rubbish” because of listening to Mark & Lard’s late night show on Radio 1 in the 90s
Angostura 18 hours ago||
Never enough Frank Sidebottom on here
epsteingpt 1 hour ago||
For all the smarm and jokes, IBM still makes ~$70B in annual revenue and enables billions more in systems integrators. Not many companies can say that.

This allows them to take the secondary revenue in-house and potentially fund a new mainframe business.

It's a [smart-ish because it's their only] strategy for the near term, because long term businesses will be moving off their mainframes and onto more powerful and intelligent systems that can 'think'.

Business Machines 1.0 were CRUD; if they pull this off they can at least get enough capital to maybe upgrade business machines to 2.0

Good on them for at least trying.

Stevvo 21 hours ago||
Interesting they are renting out agent skills. You can pick up "Java Modernization" at $20 a month for "Specialist workflows to help with modernizing Java applications", or "IBM i" for "Specialist modes, workflows, and skills to work with IBM i applications".
qsort 20 hours ago||
markdown as a service is crazy
azinman2 18 hours ago|||
Is it that diff from code as a service? It’s human intent transcribed into something useful.
gspr 12 hours ago||
Code is precise. Human intent is anything but.
closetheloopdev 20 hours ago|||
I lol'd so hard at this comment that it hurt.
redhale 14 hours ago|||
This is the most IBM thing IBM ever IBM'd.
sajithdilshan 16 hours ago|||
What do you mean by renting out an agent skill? How can one even rent a Skill? It’s just a markdown file
Someone 16 hours ago|||
You periodically pay a fee that gives you the right to use a licensed markdown file, in the same way you can rent movies or fonts.

When you stop paying but keep using the skill, that’s called pirating.

aranelsurion 15 hours ago|||
But if you point your LLM at it and say you want something like this, then it’s all ok. :) If you can’t legally copy it, just launder it through AI.
fnord77 14 hours ago|||
so it's just a prompt?
valleyer 16 hours ago||||
It could be added to context only on the inference server, with the model heavily instructed not to repeat its contents. Not foolproof, obviously.
insane_dreamer 14 hours ago|||
depending on what the skill does, it can be a whole collection of python/other code files, resource files (i.e., js libs, css/html templates) and markdown files with orchestration instructions
SSLy 17 hours ago|||
how long before some hero puts them on github?
9cb14c1ec0 15 hours ago||
Does anyone actually care about what IBM's skill files say?
getatme32 20 hours ago||
IBM hasn't made a product that works since Db2 so I am fairly confident this is a flaming pile of garbage.
pytlicek 20 hours ago|||
No, you are wrong. IBMer here. I was at first agains it, my background is for 2 decades startup(s) before I joined IBM, and I started slowly using IBM Bob and I must say it is really good and helping. With many integrations that works :)
EgregiousCube 17 hours ago|||
Is it true that employees have to earn Bobcoins before they can use Bob?
quietsegfault 14 hours ago||
You get more bobcoins by using your old allowance and running out, then submitting GitHub issues that get ignored.
jatora 8 hours ago||||
When people say they have been in startups for long periods, does this mean they worked at a chain of failed companies?
insane_dreamer 14 hours ago||||
is bob helping with ur writing too? ;p
quietsegfault 14 hours ago||||
Are you allowed to use Cursor, Codex, Claude, or OpenCode or is Bob all they allow?
nosefurhairdo 6 hours ago|||
Official policy is to only use Bob. All of the best people I work with are using other tools because Bob is trash.
getatme32 12 hours ago|||
I have been told only Bob is allowed but not 100% on that.
Saline9515 17 hours ago||||
What is good about it then? What model do you use? Which integration are we talking about? Is it open source? How much the "transparent pricing" "bobcoin" is worth?
nosefurhairdo 6 hours ago||
It's not good, they hide the model (their whole thing is hidden model routing to keep costs low, but predictably yields bad results), there are no novel integrations not available in any other harness, it's closed source, and bobcoin is worthless because it's only usable with Bob.
sroerick 18 hours ago||||
Lol
aslkajdfklnlkwn 17 hours ago|||
lol, I've used it and Bob is a dumpster fire.
shellwizard 13 hours ago||||
Not an IBMer, but IBM MQ and Sterling Connect:Direct are both solid, I use them daily and they work wonderfully, although they can be a real bitch to set up and use in certain scenarios.
getatme32 12 hours ago||
A bit of hyperbole by me since db2 was made in 1983. But MQ was created in 1993. Sterling was an acquisition. The majority of products that actually work were acquired. Very little if anything of value since 2005+ that was actually IBM created. (Bob appears fully IBM created)
_zoltan_ 15 hours ago|||
I wish you study the Wikipedia page, please. it's a very old company and we have invented really cool stuff.

signed: a proud IBMer

quietsegfault 14 hours ago||
What makes you proud about IBM currently? IBM’s “RA” culture fostering Machiavellian politics, singleminded view of next quarter’s success, and asinine yet draconian bureaucracy are three out of MANY reasons why I’m embarrassed to have had IBM forced into my career and got the hell out as fast as possible each time.
Stevvo 13 hours ago||
I don't work at IBM but there are many things to admire. e.g. You can take software written 40 years and run on a new IBM system today without even recompiling it thanks to the Machine Interface. Have fun trying to run a 40 year old C++ program.
jatora 8 hours ago||
easy.

"claude, get this c++ program working"

these types of moats are all but obliterated.

bluerooibos 13 hours ago||
I feel second hand embarrassment for IBM. Terrible name, subpar landing page, no mention of coding ability or which LLM "Bob" uses.

If you're launching something 2 years late, you've got to do better than this.

kakapo5672 11 hours ago|
Well, at least the AI market is validated now.
Ciantic 21 hours ago|
This sounds a lot like Spotify's XIRP. They managed to vibe something useful for their own engineers, were super hyped, and decided to release it in public. However what are the odds this harness will stand the test of time against actual harness makers like OpenAI or Anthropic? Neither Spotify or IBM are focused on making models or harnesses, these are just side-products.
qsort 20 hours ago||
To be fair Codex and Claude Code don't have a lot of secret sauce either. This is not to say that the harness doesn't matter at all or that you can't do any better, but whenever they benchmark it always turns out that you don't lose that much with even a very minimal agent. If a different harness makes better sense for your workflow I don't see why you wouldn't switch (or make your own if you have the resources to do so).

I'm also sticking to first-party agents, but that's more because I feel no compelling reason to switch and CLI agents fit well with my spartan technology choices. YMMV.

abtinf 20 hours ago|||
> actual harness makers

I agree IBM Bob is not the revolution, but…

We are still in the punch card era of LLMs. Maybe even the Altair era.

None of this stuff has really been figured out yet.

natsucks 20 hours ago||
Yes my first instinct is to roll my eyes at these efforts but we'll probably all get something better in the end from all the competition.
xemdetia 19 hours ago|||
IBM is training their own models (for instance IBM granite) as well as watsonx as a platform. They are trying to build a products for enterprise as well as their specific AI modernization models.
lowbloodsugar 12 hours ago||
Sure! IBM and Spotify, two companies united in being famous for not being software consulting businesses and definitely not ever developing software development tools.
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