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Posted by dmitrygr 5 hours ago

TiVo to charge money for skipping commercials in your own recordings(cordcuttersnews.com)
72 points | 40 comments
hliyan 2 hours ago|
I argued this in 2015:

> "...why I believe you will not escape ads by paying for your content: people who can afford to pay for content are people with money, or people with buying power, in other words, the exact same people advertisers look to target. The more buying power you demonstrate, the more advertisers will target you. So the more you pay to keep ads away, the more advertisers will pay to put them back in..."

tedggh 1 hour ago|
I wound pay not to have TiVo at all.
flowrange 1 hour ago||
Here in France, some Internet+television providers have started implementing a new rule : you can't skip commercials on recorded shows.

It was entirely dictated by TV channels, in order to close the obvious "recording loophole" : instead of watching the show in their VOD app, you could record it, and obviously skip all commercials.

Now you can't anymore. There's even a small dialog when you try that tells you that "Due to a specific demand by <TV Channel>, skipping is a disabled feature."

pjc50 48 minutes ago||
I wonder how long technical protection measures will last in the era when everyone has an AI with a spectacular reverse-engineering capability. See the current MIDI piano thread.

At the very basic level you can have the AI spot when ads are playing and mute them for you. Used to be easily done with loudness and various other in-band signals.

avaer 43 minutes ago|
They were saying the same thing about DVR's ability to skip those pesky ads, and look where we are.

When the enshittification hits AI, your AI will magically develop the ability to politely refuse such a request.

You could hack together your own solution (like you can today), but most people won't and that's the point.

latexr 28 minutes ago||
Exactly. This (the argument you’re replying to) is basically the same as when some new tech is introduced to the public (e.g. LLMs) and on day one you get hundreds of hot takes on how some company (e.g. Google) is DOOMED. As if they’ll just roll over and die at the first sign of trouble.

It’s like smacking a tennis ball to the other side of the court and immediately thinking you won, completely ignoring there’s a person on the other who’ll just smack it back.

it boggles the mind how people still fall for the promises of these giants about what a wonderful world they’ll create and all the amazing things you’ll be able to do. Whoever was caught off guard by (for example) LLM providers introducing ads hasn’t been paying any attention.

Steve44 28 minutes ago||
Virgin Media cable user in the UK here.

I had their Tivo box until a couple of years ago when the forced an "upgrade". The new box has uch better hardware but the software was a leap backwards.

Regarding ads, on recorded programmes I can fast forward through them. It's not a direct skip but can jump +30 seconds at a time.

When viewing through any of the channel apps most of them used to allow skipping, but over the past few months it's now blocked on all of them I think. They do tell you how many adverts there are in each block and how long the one is, such as "2/10 29 seconds to go". Unfortunately they don't tell you the total length of the break, some sections are just a few seconds.

grishka 1 hour ago||
I'm surprised there's an online component to that. I've never seen such a device in real life but I've always assumed that these have some sort of automatic commercial break recognition and that such features were first introduced way back in the 90s when requiring an internet connection was impractical to say the least.
V99 3 hours ago||
My parents still have a couple, but I think most people's reaction to this is "TiVo still exists?" CableCARDs are going extinct and there are lots of other options to record OTA these days.
jjav 2 hours ago||
> "TiVo still exists?"

Certainly that's my reaction that made me click on this. Hard to believe.

Never used TiVo but I ran a MythTV box for a long time, it was really awesome. But it's been ~15+ years or so haven't used it. Can't believe TiVo still exists.

dspillett 1 hour ago||
> TiVo still exists?

Not for long. They stopped making hardware a while ago, this feels like the last ditch attempt to find a new business model that works, before it doesn't and what is left of the company is bought and asset stripped (the key remaining asset likely being what data they hold about their customers).

andrewstuart 6 minutes ago||
Shocking! That TiVo still exists.
KevinMS 1 hour ago||
I've been a heavy user of Tivo from 1999 to a couple years ago when I dropped cable TV. I have never heard of SkipMode. Is it something they just added? because "longest-standing and most popular DVR features" doesn't sound like it was just added.
Mashimo 39 minutes ago|
Some commend on Reddit said it was introduced in 2015. I can't verify that.
rootsudo 12 minutes ago||
Honestly I thought they disappeared 20 years ago.

The old dvrs were great for old pata hdd that you could individually RMA.

God I’m old.

walrus01 2 hours ago|
Once again PLEASE DRINK A VERIFICATION CAN (note this is from 2013, and while its origin is as a shitpost, it's prophetic)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/632877-halo-4/66477630

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