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Posted by bookofjoe 18 hours ago

Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives(spectrum.ieee.org)
351 points | 616 commentspage 3
artoghrul 3 hours ago|
Calling something that kills people but just does it less as "saving lives" is batshit crazy. Looks like people in the US got so brainwashed by the toxic car culture that not killing feels the same as saving lives. It's like calling it a saving when my girlfriend decides NOT to buy something. This whole article is a joke, right? Right???
mchusma 9 hours ago||
It is correct to compare to average drivers because that is ultimately what they are going to replace. AVs are coming for the whole market, and if they are significantly safer than the average driver the average driver shouldn’t drive. I intend to stop driving when possible.
pbkompasz 5 hours ago||
Hopefully the people that find autonomous cars great are the bad drivers of today. They will transition into that and leave the better drivers of today to drive in peace.
worldsavior 5 hours ago||
Can someone remind me why we need autonomous cars? What's wrong with paying someone to drive?

Autonomous cars is an inefficient solution anyway, I don't see how it benefits the rider.

IshKebab 4 hours ago|
Yeah sure!

In theory they should be cheaper one day because you don't need to pay someone to drive. This means you can use them in situations where for cost reasons you would have driven yourself - e.g. for long journeys, in the countryside, for commuting etc.

Getting people out of their own cars and into autonomous cars is better for several reasons:

1. We need to own fewer cars collectively, which is better for the environment.

2. Don't need to waste a ton of space on car parks.

3. It's safer (at least for Waymo). Not just for occupants but also for pedestrians and cyclists.

Having a cheap option for last mile travel also makes trains more attractive.

All of this of course rests on them actually ending up cheap, which hasn't been the case so far but we'll see.

solatic 4 hours ago||
They won't be cheap until there's competition to drive down the price, which will otherwise be as high as possible to justify the initial investments. It's only a matter of time, but likely on the scale of decades.

But I wanted to add on the future benefits front - as more vehicles on the road become autonomous, they could communicate with each other and reduce the buffer distances between them, allowing for faster travel and improved saturation while still being safe.

consumer451 9 hours ago||
This article is malarkey.

Title includes "autonomous cars" - url includes "self-driving" - I smell what you are selling.

Meanwhile, the article never gives a share, but as far as I can tell, nearly all the lives are saved by basic ADAS: auto-braking, which is really cool and should be the focus.

If you want to click-bait, fine, but then at least tell the truth after the user clicks.

amelius 13 hours ago||
Yeah but just one automatic update away from becoming a horror show.
cloudie78 4 hours ago||
I’ll risk sounding crass to state the quiet part out loud:

Majority of car accidents outside of the occasional genuine freak accident are self-inflicted. Call it FAFO or Darwinism, whichever you prefer.

I’m saying that having done that myself once in the early days of holding a drivers licence and feeling heroic with my speed and a corner. I was lucky to walk away with minor bruises, mostly to my ego. And wallet.

That day I learned how a car behaves when it loses traction.

15 years later accident free, minus one person bumping the rear left side because they’d thought it would be a good idea to cross over into my lane over a solid line.

Having watched how autonomous driving is “developing” over the same span of time - I’m not convinced, the last decade was spent more on “trust me bro” targeting lawmakers than genuinely trying to have a breakthrough in the technology and we’ve hit a wall (no pun intended).

The correct answer to this problem is better driver education, and a higher bar for entry.

Lest we let the idiots take over and we as a society accept a lower standard.

asdff 3 hours ago|
People run the stop sign all the time by my house. The highway sounds like a fast n furious movie every night. There's no education shortcoming. They know what they are doing. They know how to go the speed limit and stop for a sign for the DMV test. They know when no one is looking and they can get away with dangerous bullshit.

Certain drivers just need their privileges revoked, cars crushed, and some nights spent in jail if we are being honest.

auntienomen 13 hours ago||
It'd be really nice to have bolt-on after-market automation. I'm not sure if the car companies will want to accommodate this, but I'd really love to make my old Honda self-driving.

I remember a company called Ghost Locomation that was working on this.

tharant 13 hours ago||
OpenPilot and comma.ai are very close to a bolt-on after-market solution; not FSD 14 quality but you can get a lot of autonomy and intelligence with a $1000 Android device and thirty minutes for installation.
asdff 3 hours ago|||
This requires a fully drive by wire car I would guess
1970-01-01 12 hours ago|||
It isn't truly stick-and-go, you need to have existing ADAS and other sensors already in the vehicle. As people are now holding onto cars for an average of 15+ years, the bolt-on kits are about 10 years ahead of the average driver's car.
WhompingWindows 13 hours ago||
Probably won't happen for many years, they need quite a lot of power to use the current AV tech.
josh_p 10 hours ago||
Yeah, so would investment in reliable, nice public transportation. I know it doesn’t solve the last-mile-problem.

Either way, fewer drivers means fewer deaths.

dataking 6 hours ago|
Was surprised that article mentions Waymo, Rivian, Zoox, but not Tesla.
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