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Posted by bookofjoe 18 hours ago

Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives(spectrum.ieee.org)
359 points | 625 commentspage 4
dataking 7 hours ago|
Was surprised that article mentions Waymo, Rivian, Zoox, but not Tesla.
EarthBlues 17 hours ago||
I wonder to what extent this effect comes from the fact that robotaxis don't get drunk.

I seem to recall a paper showing that human crash frequencies surge up to 6x between midnight and 4am on weekends, despite that traffic accounting for only a miniscule percentage of vehicle miles traveled.

lbrito 14 hours ago||
Considering two groups, FSD and non-FSD, what are the shares of full-sized SUVs in them?

Pretty sure whatever the FSD vehicle you can think of, none is a full-sized SUVs, and those are the most lethal kind of vehicle.

dghlsakjg 18 hours ago||
Is there a standard that these cars have to meet?

Really there should be an obstacle course of some kind based on the most common anomalies leading to accidents. Partially obscured road signs, worn paint markings, obscured sight lines caused by dense parking, driving on a snowed over surface, etc.

arjie 13 hours ago||
Such a standard for motor vehicles would result in the loss of licensing for a large majority of Americans. Most people would fight against such testing standards as a condition for driving on public roads. It might not be a bad idea. I just don’t think it’s feasible.
AlotOfReading 18 hours ago|||
There's no legislated standard in the US, nor pre-sale verification that a vehicle has met most of the other automotive standards. That's just not how the US regulatory environment works.

There's the beginnings of a standard for L2/L3 vehicles in Europe, and ongoing discussions about what L4 standards could look like, but neither addresses "adversarial" situations.

Animats 15 hours ago||
China is going for what's sometimes called "L3.5" - hands off wheel, eyes off road, driver may have to take over if alerted, but if the driver doesn't, the vehicle must safely stop and pull over if possible.

The trouble with "driver assistance" systems is the handoff to the driver. That's not reliable. Results from the aviation community indicate that it takes about ten seconds after an autopilot disconnect before the pilot has stable control of the aircraft. "L3.5" accepts that. The < 2 second response required by some L2 systems does not.

iknowstuff 18 hours ago|||
Real world data results are so much more important than an obstacle course to overfit for.
margalabargala 18 hours ago|||
While I would like to see that just for the data, from a regulatory standpoint all we really need are the manufacturers being liable in a crash if their cars were driving. The insurance savings of their cars being safer will create the incentive they need.
throwup238 18 hours ago||
If it’s anything like my San Francisco DMV driving test, they did a loop around Fell and Oak St (both one way streets with no opposing traffic).

I passed because I didn’t kill anyone in the span of eight blocks.

WalterBright 18 hours ago||
I'll be sad when I'm forced to give up driving my old cars.
asdff 4 hours ago||
The loss of the joy and satisfaction of driving a proper drivers car with a firm feeling manual transmission will be hard to explain to future generations for sure.

But the bigger fear is the loss of autonomy in movement that having everyone become beholden to a botnet for transportation will bring.

"Drive me to the anti government protest. I want to make my voice heard."

"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."

arjie 13 hours ago|||
Even in the far future of AV highways, I expect that tracks will exist where you can drive your car for leisure.
bryanlarsen 15 hours ago||
You're old enough that isn't a worry for you. If your grandkids have cars as a hobby they might have to use a track rather than public roads.
fenwick67 10 hours ago||
IMO the benchmark to pass will be to show it has better safety than the average sober, non-speeding, non-phone-using, seatbelt-wearing driver.

IDK how that could even feasibly be shown but that's when people will actually start going all-in on it. Otherwise I will simply meet those criteria myself for free.

stouset 10 hours ago|
Bordering on zero human drivers fit that profile. The competition to AVs isn’t a mythical race of flawless humans. It’s the drunk, speeding, distracted idiots who currently operate motor vehicles (e.g., us).
erelong 11 hours ago|
idk if this was even part of the conversation tbh

The question was if they could remain secure

Also I saw people suggest rc cars as an alternative to autonomous vehicles which... is another consideration entirely as well

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