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Posted by meetpateltech 17 hours ago

iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max(www.apple.com)
364 points | 397 commentspage 2
vivzkestrel 5 hours ago|
- tired of fitting all the 7 inch phones

- can I get a 5 inch phone please?

ngruhn 4 hours ago|
refurbished 13 mini for me
kimseungyong 10 hours ago||
I was waiting for the standard iPhone, so it’s a shame it’s coming out next year.

Unless you’re using photos or videos like an expert, there doesn’t seem to be any reason to go for a heavy Pro anymore.

Since last year’s promotional display came equipped with the standard model, I just can’t find it appealing.

Ah, of course, since it has AI features, we’ll have to see how much the RAM difference matters, but

Could it be that Apple is going to put so little RAM in the standard model that they can’t really use AI well?

I hope you won’t go that far.

fizwidget 4 hours ago|
I don’t think you need to be taking “expert” photos to want some optical zoom.

I wish they’d put a zoom lens instead of a wide angle on the standard iPhone, but alas, you need a Pro for that.

Merad 16 hours ago||
> eSIM-only models deliver up to 36 hours of video playback on iPhone 18 Pro and up to 45 hours of video playback on iPhone 18 Pro Max.

That might convince me to upgrade. Not because I care about watching video for two days straight, but hopefully it means the battery is large enough that it'll last 5+ years before battery degradation becomes annoying.

JK-Swizzle 14 hours ago||
I doubt any phone battery is lasting 5+ years. But I can say modern iPhones are pretty easy to swap the battery on. They designed it so the back plate gets removed to open the phone rather than the screen. No more risk of cracking the display.
tonyedgecombe 14 hours ago|||
>I doubt any phone battery is lasting 5+ years.

Just coming up to five years on mine and it is still at 87% capacity.

JK-Swizzle 13 hours ago|||
That is genuinely shocking to hear. You have to be like 3+ sd above the mean. Do you know how many charge cycles you have? I recall that most batteries need replacing after 300-500 cycles.
ValentineC 13 hours ago||||
My iPhone 14 Pro is almost 4 years old and at 65% capacity. I don't know how everyone else is (not) using their phones.
Lucasoato 12 hours ago|||
I’ve got a 14 Pro Max, used it extensively for four years and got mine at 81%.
JK-Swizzle 13 hours ago|||
I think you are the average case.

I follow the estimate that lipos lose 2-4% capacity per year without any use beyond recharging for safety. If the battery sees daily use that number gets a lot worse.

My guess is everyone else is the perfect mix of hardly any use and winning the battery lottery.

usefulcat 13 hours ago||||
iPhone 11 coming up on 7 years old in December, still at ~85% capacity.

Really it mostly depends on how heavily you use it, and maybe to a lesser extent charging habits (charging slowly, not charging to 100%, etc).

JK-Swizzle 13 hours ago||
I hear you, but the convenience of 30W charging is very hard to give up. The only downside is it damages the battery, which makes it harder to give up, which damages the battery more.
blitzar 3 hours ago||
the convenience of the old usb charging brick that has been plugged in under my bed for 15 years is very hard to give up.
lotsofpulp 13 hours ago|||
I have an iphone 13mini at 5 years and 81% capacity.
chrisweekly 13 hours ago|||
My 13pro is at 84% capacity, but in the last month or two it seems to lose charge much more rapidly than it used to. Probably the only reason I'll consider an upgrade.
JK-Swizzle 13 hours ago|||
Very jealous over here. I had a 12 mini whose battery dropped off a cliff just in time for the mini line to get discontinued.

Big phones are overrated.

Exoristos 11 hours ago||
You didn't replace the battery[0]?

0. https://www.ifixit.com/products/iphone-13-mini-battery

obruchez 2 hours ago||||
My iPhone 13 Pro will be 5 years old next month. Battery capacity at 82%. Does that count as lasting 5+ years?
monxer 13 hours ago||||
The maximum capacity of my iPhone 17 pro is still at 100% after 192 charges, that's after 1 year of usage. The extra battery life does reduce the amount of charges I have to do so that helps with the battery life.

I'm not sure where the capacity will end up after 5 years, but I think my iPhone 14 pro was at less than 95% at this point. Apple refused to replace just the battery on that one because of a small crack in the screen.

moduspol 14 hours ago|||
Oh that's nice. I'd always see guides talking about glue with the screen and kinda spooked me out of it.
stevenwoo 13 hours ago|||
I took an iPhone SE generation three to Apple Store to replace battery and they broke the NFC functionality in a way that passed their simple diagnostic tool but failed to work in the real world. I had to go back and reset the phone and upgrade my IOS so they could troubleshoot it (the phone menu for setting appointments does not allow you to pick repair broke NFC funny enough) and they were nice enough to give me a new iPhone SE to replace we proved it was broken. But that was kind of worrisome and put me off any kind of Apple self repair for something they still make.
JK-Swizzle 13 hours ago||
I think anything after the 16 regular or 17 pro becomes easy to repair. I feel you though, my first battery swap turned into a screen swap too.

The SE versions have a history of board level issues so I have been afraid to touch any of them.

JK-Swizzle 13 hours ago|||
With reason. That glue is a nightmare to deal with. I would not advise anyone start with iPhone repair.

I damaged my first iPhone repair even after multiple years of active hardware modification on other consumer devices. The older models really only go smooth if you have the Apple tools. A nice $149 of tool rental to swap the $50 part at home, rather than paying the $199 to get Apple to swap it for you. Odd how that math works out.

Insanity 16 hours ago|||
I'm on the iPhone 13 pro max since launch and my phone comfortable gets through an entire day of usage. (Given my usage is pretty light). If the battery fubars in one of the next years I wouldn't be upset, 5+ years of battery life is enough.

But I also don't see it failing me any time soon on battery. I think local AI models in a future iPhone could be an actual reason to upgrade.

jmuguy 16 hours ago|||
I have a 12 Pro Max purchased at release, battery is now at 83% capacity. Still lasts all day and then some, rarely think how much I've got left on a charge.
Scoundreller 15 hours ago|||
I set up a shortcut to put me into low-battery mode once I hit 95%. Works a treat.
arealaccount 8 hours ago||||
I have the same phone, also lasts about a day and a half.

How do you see the capacity?

Merad 14 hours ago|||
My three year old 15 Pro is already down to 85% capacity.
LUmBULtERA 13 hours ago||
My 15 pro bought on release is at 91% and 607 cycles, for more reference.
rafaelmn 16 hours ago|||
Meh I just replaced a battery in my 14 pro (and the charging port) for ~200 EUR. I didn't want to upgrade yet and I would not even be considering upgrading if the device had USB-C
eastbound 16 hours ago||
Don't. Large iPhones are the deadweight of a ball and chain, and fits in no pockets. Next one will be the SE, and even if I buy an external battery, it's still lighter than the ingot Pro Max. Also you can buy one every 1.5 years.
jtrn 4 hours ago||
I’ve never been more baffled by an Apple event in my life.... We in Norway are part of the first batch of the rollout for the new AI/language feature?!??!?! Something’s fishy. Somethings up!
aeroscissorz1 2 hours ago||
I personally prefer 17 pro for better value for money.
iw2rmb 3 hours ago||
I've never seen such a boring landing page from Apple.
HaZeust 3 hours ago|
Because they shared the Newsroom URL, instead of the Apple product page:

https://www.apple.com/iphone-18-pro/

epistasis 16 hours ago||
I really don't care at all about phone models, I just want software to launch quickly.

Waiting 15 seconds for a simple app is just infuriating in this day and age. This is mostly on crappy app developers, but a lot of that falls on Apple for not having a rating system that encourages basic good app behavior.

Every bad app that I encounter, which sends advertising notifications, takes a long time to launch, etc. is dominated by 5 star reviews, somehow. The whole ecosystem feels broken.

(And I'm also really offended by how ugly, unpolished, and broken the Tahoe visual style is on iPhone. The whole thing feels like a buggy beta, something completely unworthy of Apple of the past. That it's still not fixed is an indication of the Apple of the future, unfortunately...)

asdff 11 hours ago||
I try and pick apps based on package size the rare time I look for some app. There are still apps out there made like they were 10 years ago (that probably haven't been updated in 10 years) where the package size is sub 10mb, sometimes sub 1mb. You get an app like that it is performant and will fly on any iphone really, and barely impact battery life in all likelihood.
fhub 7 hours ago||
Package size has very low correlation to launch time. The binary and assets are separate. Additionally some slow app launches are simply waiting for a network request or chain before the view controller renders.
asdff 1 hour ago|||
Situational. But often these apps are doing something just using that standard ios ux library from the really old days, and they open almost instantly as a result as it was designed to work on an iphone 3gs.
Marsymars 5 hours ago|||
In theory, sure, but in practice devs who care about package size correlate to those who care about launch times.
throw1234567891 15 hours ago|||
Maybe you need a new phone. Or a faster internet connection?
epistasis 15 hours ago|||
No I need better phone app developers. The fastest phone has the same issues. New phones are just as sluggish. And, it's a phone, there's not going to be fast networks everywhere, and a whole generation of poor developers was raised to believe that the network was always present and always fast.

And on the iOS side, Tahoe inserts all sorts of overdone, ridiculous animations that slow down phone interaction, but delaying presentation of

crtified 14 hours ago|||
We are up to the iphone 18 now. The iphone is said to be about 50% of Apple's revenue since 2012. Regardless of app developer quality, it is quite literally Apple's now-well-honed job to ensure that enough people want to buy next year's model, by various types of forced obsolescence. Indirectly, this means that the durably snappy and non-sluggish experience you're forever wanting can never actually happen. 'Forever wanting it' is an essential part of the business design here!

In this system. Of 'smartphones', where a small handful of corporate masters - who also happen to (now!) be a big share of the world's largest and most profitable corporations - now own over half of the computing world that we love, following their whirlwind 20-year takeover of it.

"No I need better phone app developers." - Hmmm. Commiserations. The trend of developer quality (and/or it's inverse - e.g. system complexity and overheads) has been fairly constant since the term 'developer' became mainstream parlance, and you won't need me to point out what effect AI coding agents have had upon the doorway-to-entry.

devilsdata 14 hours ago||||
Not that you aren't correct, but Tahoe is a MacOS release, not iOS. I assume you mean iOS 18 (the version before iOS 26)?
MYEUHD 13 hours ago||
Tahoe is macOS 26. The corresponding iOS version is iOS 26

iOS 18 corresponds to macOS 15 (Sequoia)

hobo123 5 hours ago|||
Indeed, on modern laptops and phones every UI interaction should be instant (check out BeOS in 1995 for comparison). For background stuff, add some progress indicator.

Can't believe the crap OSes and frameworks add these days in terms of performance cost (and sadly, Apple doesn't exactly shine in that regard)

asdff 11 hours ago|||
The bigger question is what are these apps doing that they aren't doing 10 years ago that they now need all this extra compute for to serve the same basic functionality? It always amazes me how stuff like instagram just tanks my battery life. It is instagram its basically wgetting image urls same as its always done but it is taking over system resources for reasons...
JK-Swizzle 14 hours ago||
I just tested a number of apps on my 15pm connected to WiFi and could not find anything that took longer than 5 seconds. That includes some small developers and bad developers.

Not quite sure where you are seeing this. Maybe games?

at1as 16 hours ago||
I have no idea which iPhone version I have anymore. It doesn't feel as though it's missing anything, though.But I'd upgrade immediately if the new models truly offered better AI experience.

Forgive my skepticism that Apple will get it right. Even the lauded latest version of Siri is far worse than the labs' offerings or Android at voice dictation (I now have to fix 1 word per sentence instead of 4, previously)

jjice 16 hours ago||
Agreed on iPhone versions not feeling significant. I personally consider it a good thing. I'll keep my phone for as long as possible and not feel the need to upgrade.

I personally don't care if Siri is the worst LLM of the big players, as long as it can answer my basic questions and search my texts, I'm happy. I don't need "frontier intelligence" for that kind of stuff.

As for dictation, they say the new dictation is much better, requiring an iPhone 17. Unfortunately, I won't get to find out if that's true for another five or so years, but I'm hopeful for a better dictation on device, because you're right.

kenjackson 16 hours ago||
I update my phone now when the battery requires two full charges to 100% to last throughout the day. But there's no feature I'm looking for. My current phone is a 13 -- so I guess it lasted five years, which seems crazy long for it to be perfectly fine from a functionality perspective.
at1as 16 hours ago|||
I would probably still have my iPhone 12 mini if not for what happened to its battery. Loved that form factor, but the battery went from bad to worse in just a couple of years.

Hopefully these models have a longer lifespan before the battery life forces a replacement. If they truly offer 36 hours, there's more runway before they hit the < 18 hours point at which many people need a refresh

mrexroad 6 hours ago||
I’ve been holding on to my 12 mini for a bit too long probably. I loved the thing before iOS 26, but sadly since then, even basic tasks cause it to overheat and just hang for several minutes until it cools off. The battery is a joke of course, but I was fine with that until the overheating. I’ve swapped it 2x over the years for a new unit, but shit software, shift web, and shit cell data coverage have made it nearly unusable.

I’ll finally, albeit reluctantly, upgrade this year. I really liked the mini form factor.

newman314 16 hours ago||||
I went from a 13 Pro to 17 Pro and the battery life has been great.
littlexsparkee 13 hours ago||
I used my iPhone 8 for exactly 5 years before the battery went to hell. Been on iPhone 14 for 3 years, 9 months and see no reason to upgrade.
ocdtrekkie 14 hours ago||||
Same, I went from a base model iPhone 11 to a base model iPhone 16. Assuming the trend line holds up, I'm in for an iPhone 21 next!
osiriskang 9 hours ago||
Almost the same as what I did, 11->16 Pro, and really only because I wanted a nicer camera. 128Gb has been more than enough for what I need. Don't have a reason to upgrade, battery still gets me through 2 days without a charge, and with Kino the times I want to have nicer-than-stock video I can get it.
petesergeant 16 hours ago|||
I'm on a 12. Paid really not very much to get the battery replaced recently, and I wished I'd done it sooner. There's at least another year left in this phone now if I want it.
dylan604 16 hours ago|||
That's kind of like saying the 2026 Corolla isn't really much different than the 2025. People don't expect to upgrade annually. I'm using an iPhone 15, and upgraded to that from a 6S+. The 15 was a night and day difference. Most people are financing their device with their service plan which is 2-3 contract.
dayvid 16 hours ago|||
I upgraded from a 13 to a 17 pro. Barely notice a different, my old phone was just dying
hakunin 16 hours ago|||
I got a battery replacement instead, and still use 13 pro, works like new.
js2 16 hours ago||||
The 13 is the last generation of the mini and I still have mine. Good to know I'm not missing anything. Battery capacity isn't even below 80% so I can't replace it under Applecare yet.
bayganyo 14 hours ago|||
13 to 17 pro is a huge leap in performance, battery life, and camera features.
hdgvhicv 16 hours ago|||
This is the problem for Apple. Expect shorter lifetime for security updates in the next few years. It’s why they’re pushing the “lease to own”, because people aren’t upgrading every year, or two, or even three any more.
paul7986 16 hours ago|||
Indeed been using the new Siri since June and it fails a ton in comparison to chatGPT voice!

Using chatGPT voice i can see Open AI's push for pushing us to a new Internet voice paradigm 1st with screens/visuals secondary & complimentary to possibly none at all. It would be much safer especially when driving to get super intelligent human like directions where voice says drive to the mcdonalds on dorset you go to all the time and across the street is the new 7 Brew coffee shop.

eastbound 16 hours ago||
— "Start my chronometer"

— "There is no contact named 'Chronometer'"

Maybe if we mock the iPhone enough, they'll stop autocorrecting words with other words that are on the opposite side of the keyboard. Or mistype letters with the letters just next to them.

iPhone is laughing stock. A neverending comedy of "There is no track named 'Call Mom' in your Apple Music library."

VCFundedGenYer 7 hours ago||
Holding onto my 14 for as long as possible as it is safe from the absolute nonsense AI features.
the_sleaze_ 13 hours ago|
The photos I get on my iPhone are worse with every generation. Can anyone tell me if the photos are any good on these new ones? The hardware is fine I'm sure it's the post processing that destroys the image.
alistairSH 13 hours ago||
Have you tried using a 3rd party photo app (like Halide)?
ricardobeat 13 hours ago||
The 16 was a significant downgrade in quality due to over-processing. The hardware is actually improving, you just unfortunately need to use a third-party app to get access to the raw photos.
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